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    27 November 2019


    Donald Trump signed a bill into law that expresses U.S. support for Hong Kong protesters, a move that will strain relations with China and further complicate the president’s effort to wind down his trade war with Beijing.

    Trump signed the legislation on Wednesday, the White House said in a statement.

    The legislation, S. 1838, requires annual reviews of Hong Kong’s special trade status under American law -- and sanctions against any officials deemed responsible for human rights abuses or undermining the city’s autonomy.

    The House cleared the bill 417-1 on Nov. 20 after the Senate passed it without opposition, veto-proof majorities that left Trump with little choice but to acquiesce.

    While many members of Congress in both parties have voiced strong support for protesters demanding more autonomy for the city, Trump has stayed largely silent, even as the demonstrations have been met by rising police violence.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, called on the president to speak out, saying last week that “the world should hear from him directly that the United States stands with” the protesters.

    China’s foreign ministry had urged Trump to prevent the legislation from becoming law, warning the Americans not to underestimate China’s determination to defend its “sovereignty, security and development interests.”

    “If the U.S. insists on going down this wrong path, China will take strong countermeasures,” ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said at a briefing Thursday in Beijing. Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Zheng Zeguang summoned the U.S. ambassador, Terry Branstad, on Monday to express “strong opposition” to what the country’s government considers American interference in the protests, including the legislation, according to statement.

    The new U.S. law comes just as Washington and Beijing have shown signs of working toward what the White House calls a “phase-one” deal to ease the trade war. Trump would like the agreement finished in order to ease economic uncertainty for his re-election campaign in 2020, and has floated the possibility of signing the deal in a farm state as an acknowledgment of the constituency that’s borne the brunt of retaliatory Chinese tariffs.

    U.S. and Chinese trade negotiators will continue communicating closely and work toward a phase-one deal, Ministry of Commerce spokesman Gao Feng said at a briefing in Beijing on Thursday.

    Before a speech at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Beijing last week, China’s Vice Premier Liu He -- the country’s chief trade negotiator -- said that he was “cautiously optimistic” about reaching the phase one accord, according to people who attended a dinner and asked not to be identified.




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    Crippling China's economy helps us in the long run.
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    " a move that will strain relations with China and further complicate the president’s effort to wind down his trade war with Beijing."

    A move that will further hurt China's economy and bring them to the table quicker to end the trade war....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Scientist View Post
    Crippling China's economy helps us in the long run.

    Sorta. There is a saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats." The trick is, we have to do trade with other countries in a way that is mutually beneficial and doesn't compromise the economies of either nation. But when our liberal politicians are taking Chinese (and other) bribes, we can't benefit from trade with those countries. Which is why turning the tables is a good thing.

    That said, we can benefit China and they can benefit us. If we act based on ideologies, we run the risk of not being able to do any good OR do any harm. "Keep your enemies closer." That way, we can use them to our benefit. Wrecking them and their economy only limits another of our opportunities to benefit us.

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    Our problem with China is we put 'all of our eggs in one basket'. Many companies do business with China, due to labor being cheap, virtually no environmental regulations and a potential market to sell their products. The problem is China has a nasty habit of stealing technology, engaging in unfair trade practices and wanting to dominate the economic markets. While also using that technology to advance their military resources.

    Years ago, China bought the PC business from IBM, and spread that technology to multiple Chinese companies, so they could make and sell PCs on the world market. Years ago, Apple and Motorola moved production of cell phones to China, in a cost cutting move. China stole that technology and started several cell phone manufacturers. Today Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, among other Chinese cell phone manufacturers are close to dominating the world cell phone market. China invests money in the United States and other nations, for the main interest of acquiring/stealing technology.

    Instead of looking to China as a source of cheap labor, we should be looking at India, Brazil, Mexico, Vietnam, Ukraine, etc., and 'spread the wealth', so one nation doesn't end up with all of 'our marbles'.
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    We all need to remember that the most important goal of a Communist country is to spread the Communist ideology as much as it can, by using technology, China is in a good position to spread the Communist ideology with an end of controlling the planed.
    It is already happening, China is telling air carriers to include Taiwan as a part of China and the air carriers are following true with the order.
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    China Whines and Nags After Trump Signs Bill Supporting Hong Kong Protesters

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    NOVEMBER 28, 2019


    The Chinese ministry of foreign affairs has released a statement condemning President Trump for signing a bill in support of the Hong Kong protesters. Beijing told Trump to stay out of it because Hong Kong and China are "one country," albeit with "two systems." It is an internal affair, China says, and therefore none of Trump's business.

    The bill China refers to is the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019. It requires the State Department to certify every year that Hong Kong is sufficiently autonomous to retain its special U.S. trading consideration, CNBC [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Another bill, also signed by President Trump, bans the sale of munitions like tear gas and rubber bullets to Hong Kong police.

    “We are officially telling the U.S. and the handful of opposition politicians in Hong Kong who follow America’s lead to not underestimate our determination to protect Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability, don’t underestimate our belief to protect the ‘one country, two systems policy’ and don’t underestimate our capabilities and strategies in protecting our country’s sovereignty, safety, growth and rights,” the ministry said in response to these bills.

    “This so-called bill will only make the Chinese people, including our compatriots in Hong Kong, further understand the sinister intentions and hegemonic nature of the United States. It will only make the Chinese people more united and make the American plot doomed to fail," China's foreign ministry added.

    The Hong Kong government isn't happy with the bills either. "These two bills are an obvious intervention of Hong Kong’s internal affairs, they are unnecessary and without grounds, they will also harm the relationship and interests between Hong Kong and the U.S.," Hong Kong said in an official statement. A government spokesman added that the bill send a "wrong message" to the protesters.

    Lastly, China informs the United States: "We advise the U.S. not to act arbitrarily, or else China must firmly counteract, and the U.S. must bear all resulting consequences."

    Such warnings are partially par for the course with authoritarian regimes, but you have to take China seriously. Not because they may act against the United States, but because they will almost certainly become more aggressive in Hong Kong. That's how China responds to criticism: "Oh, you want us to stop doing it? Guess what, we'll do it even more!" It is a bit childish perhaps, but it has been China's modus operandi for decades.

    In fact, that's why I warned back in August that [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] were playing with fire.

    Passing a bill and having President Trump sign it may make Americans (and especially Republicans) feel good about themselves for two minutes, but it can have serious repercussions for the people of Hong Kong.




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    Trade is good when it benefits both countries equally.
    I am all for calling out China on their unfair practices.
    Short term pain for the U.S. for a long term gain.
    Our economy is the strongest in the world even with the trade war. Shows what a good job Trump has done with it compared to the past clown.
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