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    @popeye you were not listening. mexicans did not beat me up in school. There were no mexicans in my schools, when I was tortured by peers. mexicans been causing me dirrect problems within the last 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimp View Post
    I give up Trying to get you to understand how your actions affect others and why one day the person you cause harm to comes back and does something stupid bad to you or others around you. leaving you wondering why that someone did such a hanous act.
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    I will never understand you defending an illegal act upon free men who are exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

    I will also NEVER try to guess what anyone does as that is on them, not me. No one can. But if you or anyone infringe upon me and mine, I am positive you will find out why to your question.

    For what it is worth, I was beaten and abused all my life by father and brothers until I remembered what my father said earlier in my life. You will die if you don't want to live and no one will help you. So in life I took it to take care of myself and be prepared and depend on no one. Same in the Army/ combat. Sure life is tough but you either adapt, overcome, or die.No sniveling or asking why to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimp View Post
    @popeye
    I did not say they deserved death by his hands EVER. I flatly said I did not agree with his actions. When bad things happen it not always involving that very moment. What we saw was the tipping point of a ongoing problem. That may not have even been about the individuals involved.

    I didn't say they were not innocent either. I said we don't know they were innocent therefore we should not call them innocent. This blow up was accumulating over time. That goes beyond Walmart.
    By that standard, no one is innocent. No one is perfect so we've all done things wrong. I'm trying to remember forum rules and common courtesy in my reply but it almost sounds like you're fishing for media material of a sort that's not even permitted here. So even if you're fishing, you won't find what you're looking for here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyCowboy View Post
    At the state level, red flag laws for guns are not unconstitutional, right?
    Ever see the movie Minority Report? It's where people are punished before they commit a crime. Which is the same reasoning behind red flag laws.

    The SCOTUS should find red flag laws unconstitutional because they are, in fact, taking away people's rights based on something that "might" happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Scientist View Post
    Ever see the movie Minority Report? It's where people are punished before they commit a crime. Which is the same reasoning behind red flag laws.

    The SCOTUS should find red flag laws unconstitutional because they are, in fact, taking away people's rights based on something that "might" happen.
    We already have too many laws based on what might happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyCowboy View Post
    Let's grind on this one, OK?

    FEDERAL red flag laws for guns do not exist. It's not accurate to assign attributes to the vacuous. There are many proposals on the table, and what any final ones will actually contain is not known.

    At the state level, red flag laws for guns are not unconstitutional, right?
    There's no telling what the Courts will say but I will say they are absolutely unconstitutional. The Constitution expressly forbids infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

    We can have the whole "incorporation" debate here but there's not a real need. Incorporation or not, the 2nd Amendment applies to the States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levant View Post
    There's no telling what the Courts will say but I will say they are absolutely unconstitutional. The Constitution expressly forbids infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

    We can have the whole "incorporation" debate here but there's not a real need. Incorporation or not, the 2nd Amendment applies to the States.
    We can place our bets and await the outcome.
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    I've been a member here for three months. I'm sure there are other solid new members since then but I have to credit the long-time members for their patience and tolerance because it seems to me that most new members since I started here come here just to stir the pot. That the old-timers still have such a welcoming spirit says a lot about their character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNastyCowboy View Post
    We can place our bets and await the outcome.
    Yes, we'll have to wait.

    Just keep in mind, though, your question was not about what the Supreme Court would rule. It was about whether state red flag laws are constitutional. Those are two very different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levant View Post
    Yes, we'll have to wait.

    Just keep in mind, though, your question was not about what the Supreme Court would rule. It was about whether state red flag laws are constitutional. Those are two very different things.
    We agree. YAY!

    That is exactly what I asked. It was rhetorical in that I didn't expect an answer, because the answer is pretty obvious.

    There are 17 states with some FORM of red flag gun laws. They are on the books. They exist. They are Constitutional.*

    *Any law that is in existence is Constitutional until ruled otherwise.

    Let's get something straight, OK, Levant? Popeye clued me in about red flag gun laws. I have come to appreciate that red flag gun laws are, in some cases, present and not being used. In other cases, family and close acquaintances are reluctant to report because things can get awkward, if not downright dangerous.

    In a credible survey (I really like credible surveys, shout out to Popeye) red flag (non-gun) laws are shown to have some positive effect with mental issues, but don't change anything for gun violence.

    As for this new FEDERAL attempt at same, I predict infant mortality and, if that's not the case, a whole lot of court contests up to SCOTUS.

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