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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    "Being in a place you're permitted to be, and not being harmed while you're in that place, is a right."

    Nope. Its an expectation.
    Then there is no right to life, no right to liberty, and no right to pursuit of happiness.

    Once again, then on what grounds would you sue if rear ended? You have no rights. "I expected to not be hit, your honor, and he rear-ended me. He violated my expectation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevejet View Post
    "My rights were infringed because I had a right to drive in peace and get to the destination safely without being hit by a person.........."

    Yeah, well about 35,000 people a year have their "RIGHT", as you presumptuously define it, revoked in fatal accidents.
    Well, there you go... if your right is infringed now it's revoked and, once revoked, must never have been a right anyway. Are you really going to argue that an infringed right is revoked? Are you going to argue that because a right can be infringed, or revoked, that it wasn't a right in the first place?

    No right withstands the arguments being made here to deny that there is a right to be in a place unmolested - by accident or intention.

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    I am against the spurious expansion of Rights going on here and in this country.
    We've become too soft when we proclaim that not being rearended while driving is a Right.
    This cheapens Constitutionally protected Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    I am against the spurious expansion of Rights going on here and in this country.
    We've become too soft when we proclaim that not being rearended while driving is a Right.
    This cheapens Constitutionally protected Rights.
    I understand your frustration; creating a right to an education was an expansion of rights so, yes, rights expansion does exist.

    But the Constitution was never intended to define a set of rights so the assumption that discussion of rights not mentioned there is expansion of rights is inaccurate. The Constitution and Declaration are both very explicit:

    Quote Originally Posted by 9th Amendment
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Declaration of Independence
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    The Founders did not have any document to tell them that there was a right to life, a right to liberty, or a right to pursuit of happiness, or even other rights beyond those. In fact, you're falling into the trap the anti-Federalists created in putting in the Bill of Rights: that the enumeration would be seen to be the only rights to the exclusion of countless unenumerated rights.

    We do not need a paper to tell us what our rights are. We know them by using our common sense and applying it to the wisdom from ages of human history.

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    The 'right' to use whatever bathroom one pleases.
    The 'right' to murder the unborn.
    The 'right' to defecate in the street.
    The 'right' to aggressively panhandle.
    The 'right' to physically assault those who hold political beliefs different than yours.
    The 'right' to disrupt public events.
    The 'right' to violate public health laws.

    The list goes on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levant View Post
    The Founders did not have any document to tell them that there was a right to life, a right to liberty, or a right to pursuit of happiness, or even other rights beyond those.
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    Yes they did, they had more than just a document; they had the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    The 'right' to use whatever bathroom one pleases.
    The 'right' to murder the unborn.
    The 'right' to defecate in the street.
    The 'right' to aggressively panhandle.
    The 'right' to physically assault those who hold political beliefs different than yours.
    The 'right' to disrupt public events.
    The 'right' to violate public health laws.

    The list goes on and on.

    To equate not being assaulted or harmed with those rights is not using common sense. You're still arguing that there are no such things as "among others" described in the Declaration of Independence or as "unenumerated" rights as mentioned in the Constitution.

    How about a little test. Can you name one "among others" or unenumerated right?

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    if we start making all of this a violation of rights.......we are going to have to build a heck of a lot more federal prisons......and start making felons out of all traffic accidents........or text'ers......or smokers.....etc, etc.........someone will be offended and have their "rights" violated.........

    just what we need......a bigger nanny State and more federal power/control.............
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