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    Quote Originally Posted by john_preston View Post
    Man is selfish and greedy and wants all the land for himself and never to share with nature.
    Sharing is one thing. However coyotes, cougars, wolves and other predators will hunt where game is plentiful and easy to kill. A predator or two (in time) can nearly wipe out a herd of livestock. And a wiped out herd can easily bankrupt a farmer/rancher.

    Also, if predators are left unchecked and after they kill what's plentiful and easy, they will go after pets, children and adults if hungry enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_preston View Post
    Man is selfish and greedy and wants all the land for himself and never to share with nature. Man overpopulates like compete idiots ...

    Typical liberal - Bet he's never seen a cougar in the wild, yet its "mans" fault.
    He has no cougar problem yet he wants to tell all others how we should think and act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_preston View Post
    Wildlife management is best left in the hands and minds of wildlife biologists. Game/wildlife regs are supposed to be formed based upon what science says.

    Hog wash. It's been my experience that game laws are often formulated on political basis and many have NOTHING to do with actual wildlife numbers or conditions.

    Sometimes herd culling by the guns of man is necessary for the greater good of a species but getting a case of cougar trigger-happiness is not always the sole solution.

    "...culling by the guns of man...."? What kind of colorful, flowery horsehockey is that?

    Hunters with ethics cheerfully applaud and follow game regs for deer, ducks, doves, pheasants, wolves, bear and pronghorn. Any cougar regs should also be applauded.

    Don't confuse abiding by the law with hunting or fishing ethics. The two rarely fill the same space.

    No, Wyoming can't tell Texas what to do about its cat management or lack thereof. What the federal govt. can tell Texas to do is another horse of another color.

    Yep, that's what we need is the Federal Government getting into the game management business. Game laws fall under the 10th Amendment. There is no Constitutional basis for Federal game management on non-migratory species.

    For example, the American eagle is put entirely off limits to the sportsman's gun by Uncle Sam's rules.
    The Bald Eagle is the National Symbol and is protected as such. All raptors are protected in the US. Another Federal Government intrusion on the 10th, in addition to being a big mistake.

    But, about Mountain Lions.... They survive best when they have a healthy fear of man (and his guns), not when they are protected by ANY kind of "Mans Laws".


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    Quote Originally Posted by john_preston View Post
    If cougars are running out of prey, then deer hunting should be restricted more, unless cats are overpopulating.

    Again a large problem is the killing of mother cats so then any surviving cubs then take up depredation.

    Texas game authorities are not seriously assessing the cats' numbers in Lone Star. They are making no efforts to get accurate counts.

    The biggest problems with wildlife are all caused by man, not wildlife itself. Man should reduce his own numbers considerably.

    There are way too many humans on American soil for the good of all living things. Wildlife and Native Americans were all fine on this soil
    until Brits and Europeans arrived. Iron-fisted immigration control would also benefit our native critters. Too much American soil was privatized
    east of the Rockies to the detriment of wildlife habitat.
    Too many humans! “Man should reduce his own numbers considerably.” Now that is twisted thinking! You seem to place a higher value on a predatory animal than your fellow man. Twisted!
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    I sort of wondered about that, reducing the number of people comment.

    Some well meaning folks seem to believe farmers and ranchers are raising stock for recreation. Aside from feral pigs, and feral dog packs, now we have to contend with federal protections on carnivous predators. Feral cats of all things have wiped out all the native quail coveys here on this ranch. After we lost a few baby chicks, ducklings we reduced the number cats. Problem solved. Rifle, shovel, and closed mouth.

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    Feral cats are the worst. But just start shooting the damn things...... I have three cats. I actually like them. They are females and are all spayed. They hang around the back door and terrorize passing butterflies. There are some others that come around at night to fight and piss all over everything. They tend to be skittish of flashlight beams....

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    I knew an old boy who used to tell me every time we talked about the mountain lion he would see in his back yard. One day I asked him if he had a dog. He said yes that he had two of them. That's when I knew (for sure) he didn't have a mountain lion in his back yard.

    Big cats will run from dogs when a human is with them. you can bay one up with a pack of chihuahuas. But, fido just hanging out by himself is what they call "fast food".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan R McDaniel Jr View Post
    I knew an old boy who used to tell me every time we talked about the mountain lion he would see in his back yard. One day I asked him if he had a dog. He said yes that he had two of them. That's when I knew (for sure) he didn't have a mountain lion in his back yard.

    Big cats will run from dogs when a human is with them. you can bay one up with a pack of chihuahuas. But, fido just hanging out by himself is what they call "fast food".

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    I get your point, and I agree, but the image of a pack of chihuahuas got me laughing...love it! Those little guys tend to think they are the baddest on the block anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan R McDaniel Jr View Post
    Feral cats are the worst. But just start shooting the damn things...... I have three cats. I actually like them. They are females and are all spayed. They hang around the back door and terrorize passing butterflies. There are some others that come around at night to fight and piss all over everything. They tend to be skittish of flashlight beams....

    Alan
    They rend to be skittish of .17HMR and .22LR too. Nasty animals, always looking for a cozy winter lair here. Had one move into the rafters of my garage some years back. Had to trap it so as to get it out of the garage to shoot it.
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    The 1890 Win carbine .22 WRF, I call Chapos, was made with feral dogs/cats in mind. The 16 1/2" barrel swings real easy in a P/U cab.
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