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    Default Opening day change is official for Pennsylvania deer hunters

    BOB FRYE
    April 13, 2019


    The change — and it’s a big one — is official.

    Opening day of Pennsylvania’s statewide firearms deer season is moving. It has been the Monday after Thanksgiving each year since 1963.

    This year it will be the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

    Pennsylvania Game Commissioners on Tuesday — by a 5-3 vote — made the switch in setting hunting and trapping seasons and bag limits for the 2019-20 license year. It was just one of several changes adopted.

    But it’s clearly the biggest one.

    Whether it’s the right one is harder to predict. Answers about its impact on the future of hunting in the state — good or bad — likely won’t come for a few years.

    In changing things, commissioners cited the possibility a Saturday opener could potentially boost hunting license sales and participation by making their sport more accessible to college students and working people.

    There are no guarantees, though. The commission surveyed lapsed hunters — those who bought a license twice in a five-year span, but not in the last two — to see if a Saturday opener would convince them to hunt again. More than 60 percent said yes or at least maybe.

    But, according to Coren Jagnow, the commission’s human dimensions specialist, it’s likely only a fraction — an unknown one at that — will follow through.

    Other surveys, meanwhile, showed a majority of existing hunters oppose the change to a Saturday opener. The breakdown was about 2 to 1 against.

    Hunters who operate from camps were the most vocal opponents. One was Randy Santucci of Pittsburgh. A past president of the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania, he testified before commissioners. He stressed he was representing himself and not any group.

    But he said, like many camp owners, he values the entirety of opening weekend, from arriving at camp Friday to actually hunting Monday. The camaraderie of those few days — not just the hunting that ends it — are key to recruiting and retaining young people, he suggested.

    “Pennsylvania has deep family ties,” Santucci said. “It is the invisible glue that holds the majority of our hunters together,”

    Fred Brathchie of Butler agreed. A camp owner for the past seven years, he said camp owners are a “major recruiting tool” for future hunters. That’s being overlooked, he added.

    Others, though, supported the change.

    Wes Waldron, spokesman for the United Bowhunters of Pennsylvania, said it may well “pose initial problems” for camp owners.

    But prior to 1963, opening day was not tied to a day of the week. It always Dec. 1, so long as it didn’t fall on a Sunday.

    “Those who hunted during those years adjusted to the change to a Monday opener, and we are confident that current and future hunters will also prove to be as adaptable,” Waldron said.

    Sen. Dan Laughlin, the Erie County Republican who chairs the Senate game and fisheries committee, supported the change, too.

    The board itself split.

    The three commissioners who voted against moving opening day — president Tim Layton of Somerset County, Michael Mitrick of York and Jim Daley of Butler — cited the opposition of hunters as their reason for doing so.

    Daley, one of the first champions of a Saturday opener, said there’s no biological reason for starting deer season on one day or another. That’s purely a “social decision,” he said.

    And commission surveys showed most hunters prefer a Monday start, he said. What’s more, any gains in new hunters will likely be offset by the problems the change will cause existing ones, he added.

    “It goes against all principles of first do no harm,” Daley said. “That’s the reason I changed my mind.”




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    Although I agree with Mr. Santucci about the 2 days leading up to opening day. There is another reason to move it to Saturday, I found this on the Internet-

    Most schools — and even some businesses — are closed Monday as part of an extended Thanksgiving break. High absenteeism in offices, factories and classrooms on the first day of hunting season spurred the unofficial holiday. In 2016, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]to kids ages 12-16. That’s a lot of empty desks.

    Even though I live and hunt in North Florida and hunt in South Alabama. I have often thought about this situation with the schools closing.
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    The “ un- official holiday” has also been a silent way of letting non hunters know how many of us hunters there are. It also is a right of passage for a young hunter. There are many young hunters that see it as a step into adulthood, to be able to take a day off from school and join the hunt. It’s kinda of a way of saying that the world is moving too fast and as a hunter, I am willing to slow it all down and get back to a way of life that everyone should respect.

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    adding hunting days.....during a holiday weekend........would seem to increase oppertunities......therefore increase interest

    but i am an outsider...........

    someone please correct my math....i think they have a two week season.......if the standard season is 14 days.......and they add an additional two days making the season 16 days.......that is an increase of what? a 15 percent increase in opportunity?.....nothing to sneeze at there........the increased days to hunt represent more bang for the buck.....if you pardon my pun.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artie1957 View Post
    Although I agree with Mr. Santucci about the 2 days leading up to opening day. There is another reason to move it to Saturday, I found this on the Internet-

    Most schools — and even some businesses — are closed Monday as part of an extended Thanksgiving break. High absenteeism in offices, factories and classrooms on the first day of hunting season spurred the unofficial holiday. In 2016, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]to kids ages 12-16. That’s a lot of empty desks.

    Even though I live and hunt in North Florida and hunt in South Alabama. I have often thought about this situation with the schools closing.
    I knew a lot of folks from PA when I went to college and that was it. Opening day most companies stayed closed because of high absenteeism from those hunting.
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    I always stay out of the woods the 1st 2 days. To many idiots out there that shot at any movement. License sales are down because the younger generation don't hunt. And the older hunters are dying off. Or are no longer able to go out and hunt. Some of the less serious hunters quit because of raising prices of licenses. They now charge for a regulation book. Then there is those who hunt without buying a license. The other day on my brass round up. I found 6 fresh deer heads and hides and rib cages and legs.
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    In Jersey it was only a 6 day bucks only season. Opened on a Monday and closed on Saturday. There was a doe day that was by lottery and it was the Wednesday after 6 day. Now it’s six day bucks only but you can buy a ether sex tag and it’s good from opening day, the first Monday in December till the first week in February. You can shoot unlimited does every day all season long.
    Pits taken some of the magic of the season away. There’s less of a reason to go out on opening day.

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    Its the same here. The 1st week is buck only. 3 points on one side minimum. Archery buck and doe can be taken. Inline muzzleloader only doe. So you have to bring a bow along to take a buck. It runs along with archery. Flintlock both maybe taken.
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    As a PA Hunter I do not see where it is that much of a big deal. The camp owners claim that the weekend setting up and sitting around swapping bull stories over beer is at risk is silly. There is no rule that says you must go hunting on Saturday. If you want to blow off the first two days it will most likely make Monday a safer time in the woods. Most of the wack-a-loon hunters will be back at work by then having shot up a couple of hundred rounds missing 2 different deer.

    As for the youth hunters taking Monday off they do that now. The holiday is unofficial. As far as I know schools do not let out and any absent student has to provide a parental excuse. Please excuse Jimmy from school on Monday I took him out in the woods to kill something. ( That ought to piss of a few liberal administrators. ) In this area if they try to fine you for taking your kid out of school to hunt then take it to a jury trial. No way you get convicted here, cause every other member of the jury did the same thing with their kids.

    I have never worked a job that gave you first day as a paid holiday. If I wanted that day I had to burn a vacation day. I usually wait till Friday to do that. Less crowded woods are safer. Of course lots of people have the same Idea as I do. No need to worry about PA running out of deer. We got train loads. During the rut I usually drive 5 MPH below the speed limit and when on a divided highway I straddle the broken white line whenever possible. I have about 30 miles of highway travel at midnight to get home from work. I count the huge blood spots where a big truck got one or the deer laying on the side of the road. 17 is the record so far. 17 in 30 miles. Yeah we are not going to run out of deer.

    I am far more upset about the idea of hunting with a semi-auto than I am about which day I want to go. YMMV.

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