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    Since you're carrying concealed and most post office trips are in and out in 5 to 10 minutes it's like the old thing " If a tree falls into the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make any sound?" meaning if no one knows you're carrying, who the hell cares as long as no one comes in to rob the place, no one will know you were there with a gun.
    On the other hand, if you leave your gun in your car (which could or not be legal) and someone steals it while you're in, you're in more trouble being law abiding than if you were not.
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    This is one of those issues that could be hotly debated.. First of all its a federal law... break it and get caught, as a felon you will loose your right to carry. Chances of getting caught are very slim,,.. but let me give you an example.. that could sway your thought either way. A doctor at a local hospital ( No gun zone ) Hospital policy, not federal no gun zone ... carried concealed every day, no one knew... a patient came in with his social worker to see the doctor, remember there are no guns allowed, not even the security guards. Real armed law enforcement was 10 minutes away. Patient gets into a heated argument with the doctor, patient is carrying a 9mm with 80 rounds of ammo. draws his weapon and shoots the social worker in the head, she died on the spot... in the time the patient focused on the social worker the doctor was able to draw his weapon a 380 ACP, the doctor puts three in the patients chest, but does not drop him and the patient gets a round off and hits the doctor grazing him in the head.. security guards come in and wrestle the wounded patient to the ground. until the real cops came..10 minutes from the initial call. the patient survived the 3 rounds to the chest, the social worker was dead on the spot, the doctor spent the night in the hospital and was released... The doctor lost his job. and his license to practice in the State .I Did not follow any appeal process. The District attorney did say the doctor probably saved 79 lives. The hospital said they had to enforce the no gun rule and the Doctor signed that agreement. So. this issue of carrying in a no gun Zone is not as clear as you might think... A federal no gun zone, where your mistake could cost you your right to carry for the rest of your life, is not something I want to chance. ON the other side of the coin, a federal No gun Zone is an open invitation for a criminal to be a criminal, with little fear.
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    I believe our small P.O. in New Castle, Va has a sign beside the door entrance - No guns.

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    Another note - Our son wants to have his Birthday dinner at Outback Steakhouse - Roanoke, Va. I couldn't find anything online regarding Code of Conduct so I emailed the question. The reply was - no guns. But I wonder about this one too. I don't recall a sign at the facility regarding guns.

    Do you carry when there is no sign even if you know they "prefer" and you know their policy is no guns?
    It is still a scary thought as to how close we came to having Hillary Clinton as president of the USA.

    I don't think children should be separated from their parents when migrating to the USA. They may stay together in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    That's the way it is at VA medical establishments.
    Our VA (Veterans med center) medical center has the signs at the street entrance so you can't really bring a weapon in your glove box or other secure compartment.
    It is still a scary thought as to how close we came to having Hillary Clinton as president of the USA.

    I don't think children should be separated from their parents when migrating to the USA. They may stay together in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittmeba View Post
    I believe our small P.O. in New Castle, Va has a sign beside the door entrance - No guns.

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    Another note - Our son wants to have his Birthday dinner at Outback Steakhouse - Roanoke, Va. I couldn't find anything online regarding Code of Conduct so I emailed the question. The reply was - no guns. But I wonder about this one too. I don't recall a sign at the facility regarding guns.

    Do you carry when there is no sign even if you know they "prefer" and you know their policy is no guns?
    if the posting is in a state that carries no weight of law, the worst that could happen if you are caught is an invitation to exit the premises or be arrested for armed trespassing. If the posting carries the weight of law, the consequences are too grievous to take the chance. This is another example of the vagaries of gun laws from state to state that make criminals out of law-abiding citizens. The time has come for a uniform federal law that is easy to understand that overrides state laws & local or county ordinances, if for no other reasons than we have enough criminals already who chose to prey on the innocent without confusing laws that prey on the ignorance of the innocent. The shame is that we already have such a law called the 2nd Amendment that has been trampled, ignored & rewritten without due process.
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    when a public establishment puts a sign in the window.. no guns.. its their wish... its not a law... if you choose to frequent this place, that's up to you... the worst thing that could happen in a restaurant if they ever knew you were carrying , then they could ask you to leave, and if you refuse, they could have you removed for trespassing on their property...I would never call to ask permission , Federal no gun facilities are another story where your right to carry could be taken away forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil-Twin View Post
    when a public establishment puts a sign in the window.. no guns.. its their wish... its not a law... if you choose to frequent this place, that's up to you... the worst thing that could happen in a restaurant if they ever knew you were carrying , then they could ask you to leave, and if you refuse, they could have you removed for trespassing on their property...I would never call to ask permission , Federal no gun facilities are another story where your right to carry could be taken away forever.
    That's not true everywhere. In some states the signs have the force of law. Louisiana is one of those states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderberry View Post
    That's not true everywhere. In some states the signs have the force of law. Louisiana is one of those states.
    Naturally, I don't know every local ordinance in every State. My question to you as an avid and knowledgeable law abiding citizen of Louisiana law, is , If this is a law... what is the penalty for ignoring this non- federally mandated law... just for my knowledge.

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    I ju8st did a little research into Louisiana law... Louisiana is an open carry State, a law does exist in Louisiana that if an establishment sells alcohol they have to display a class a permit, which also allows them post a No gun sign... its not the establishments request... its the Law... could not find any reference to penalty.. but I didn't spend much time.. to further your argument... New Jersey the Sate will impose a min. 3 year jail sentence, even for a first offense if you get caught with a gun. unless its locked, and unloaded. Many people with out of state licenses to carry have been jailed passing through New Jersey, getting involved in an accident and the gun is found in the car, or the gun is surrendered by the driver. Again a State policy. Recently a woman was caught driving through NJ. it became a media frenzy in which the governor of NJ pardoned her under sever pressure from the Media and the ACLU and NRA. But then Dick Christy is looking toward the Presidential nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderberry View Post
    That's not true everywhere. In some states the signs have the force of law. Louisiana is one of those states.
    So anyone in Louisiana can just walk into a hardware store buy a sign post it in a public place window and if you don't obey that freshly bought sign sold for $2.50 you're a criminal?
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