A couple quick questions
Advertise with us Click for Rates
Results 1 to 8 of 8
Like Tree2Likes
  • 2 Post By Alan R McDaniel Jr

Thread: A couple quick questions

  1. #1
    Senior Member NGF Addict!
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,442

    Default A couple quick questions

    An AR for example:The lower receiver has a serial number and must go through and FFL, correct?
    An 80% lower has no serial number and can be mailed directly to you. It does require some machining to make it operable. Correct?
    With a serial numberless gun you have a ghost gun. Correct?
    Is a ghost gun legal to have? In Ca an AR is illegal but is a ghost gun legal? I have no interest in ARs but just wondering about the laws that pertain to ghost guns.

  2. #2
    Super Moderator NGF Addict!
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Goliad, Texas
    Posts
    13,994

    Default

    I've got a lot of things to do. None of them include dealing with the police, BATFE, or the Court system...

    If I ever encounter a situation in any walk of life and ask myself, "Is this legal?" I immediately move on to the next thing....


    Alan
    deputy and Stevejet like this.
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-Thomas Jefferson

  3. #3
    Senior Member NGF Addict! Rivervalley0311's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    5,459

    Default

    The lower receiver has a serial number and must go through and FFL, correct? Yes.

    An 80% lower has no serial number and can be mailed directly to you. It does require some machining to make it operable. Correct? Correct.

    With a serial numberless gun you have a ghost gun. Correct? Correct.

    Is a ghost gun legal to have? Yes,not legal for resale.

    In Ca an AR is illegal but is a ghost gun legal? Uninformed on California laws blah blah blah.......you know the drill.

  4. Remove Advertisements
    NationalGunForum.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Senior Member NGF Addict!
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,442

    Default

    OK thanks river for the reply. I'm wondering what purpose a ghost gun has when taking one to the shooting range. As long as noone sees it I assume everything is fine but transporting it could be a bad thing. I'm paranoid about even moving firearms. I figure there will be something I'm doing wrong.

  6. #5
    Senior Member NGF Addict! Yosemite Sam's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    12,585

    Default

    Doesn't CA make certain aspects of the AR illegal? Pistol grip, flash suppressor, etc? Ghost AR has the same stuff?
    "I am fatigued Captain." Khan

  7. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Posts
    658

    Default

    OK, any design of gun could be a "ghost gun". If you build it yourself, and it has no serial #, it is a "ghost gun", regardless of the design. AFAIK, ATF restricts the building of one gun per person, for personal use only, and in no circumstances for resale.

    NOW, an AR-15 is an AR-15, regardless if it qualifies for "ghost gun" status, or not. So, if you build an AR-15, or any other gun that violates California law, in California, other laws aside, you now hold a firearm it is illegal to possess. "Ghost Gun" status is immaterial to the design not being allowed in California, which IIRC, also doesn't like ghost guns.

    IANAL, legal advice on the internet is worth what you pay for it, how come you're listening to me, when not another soul on the planet hears me, blah, blah, blah.

  8. #7
    Senior Member NGF Addict!
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,442

    Default

    Yes Sam, you are correct. A silencer/suppressor is illegal as well as a threaded barrel. Even with a thread protector put on with locktite and a some channel locks still doesn't hide the fact that it is a threaded barrel.Stupid states have stupid rules and it is hard to find out all that applies to anything you do. I just figure that it is illegal until I can find out differently.

  9. #8
    Senior Member NGF Addict! square target2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Location
    Plattsburgh, N.Y.
    Posts
    1,846

    Default

    Yes they are legal to buy,make and use but in some states they have to be configured a certain way to be legal. Not sure about selling them though, i have seen conflicting stuff on this and not sure about the law except i know you can't make them just to sell them. I know there was talk of banning them in certain states because they lack serial numbers but there are places you can send them to be serialized to make them legal or if you just want to in case it's stolen. I was thinking about doing a handgun build here in NY but all handguns must be registered with the serial number. They also have to be serialized before you complete the lower because if you build it first then you have a unregistered handgun.. I opted out of the idea as i didn't want to pay for the lower, send it out, register it only to mess it up and then go through the process of "destroying" the gun to get it removed from my permit. it would cost more than buying a new gun anyway and just wanted to do it to try one. There is also a push in some states to classify 80% receivers as guns. Pretty sure NY and CA have been talking about it, maybe VA too and i just watched a video where they are trying to do it in PA as well.
    And armed man is a free man, a disarmed man is a slave.

    Epstein didn't kill himself.

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)