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    Default You better figure out how to stop mass shootings or you値l lose your gun rights

    Joseph Sacco
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    Whether through laws or corporate actions, the Left wants gun rights gone. And they値l blame you for someone else痴 evil acts.

    It seems that after every mass shooting, the Left and gun control advocates shout 泥O SOMETHING!. The laws they propose will change nothing, when they even have one to propose. Now it appears that the Left is arguing that conservatives need to stop mass shootings in order to save gun rights.

    Putting aside the fact that the only persons responsible for these reprehensible acts are the ones that committed them, a columnist at the Washington Post has made the determination that the worst ally for conservatives regarding gun rights is: the National Rifle Association.

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    Every time there痴 a mass shooting, the NRA rushes to suggest that the real problem is mental illness or violent video games or anything except guns. These claims have little evidence behind them, but of course that痴 beside the point the NRA just wants to say something that sounds vaguely plausible and doesn稚 involve restricting guns. And that single-minded focus on simply avoiding gun restrictions has carried them to victory after victory.

    She does admit that gun-control measures don稚 accomplish their stated goals. But she also says that Americans don稚 want Wal-Marts to become war zones. This is true. No one on either side of the gun debate want innocent people to become victims of this type of evil. But McArdle also argues that if there are more mass shootings in the future, the masses will begin to demand that the government remove guns from private citizens. As she writes:

    Constitutions can be amended, or courts packed with judges who read them differently. Even seemingly impregnable political coalitions can be broken by the weight of enough dead bodies. So if the right is interested in keeping its guns, it needs to get even more interested in finding an alternative policy that will actually work for the country to keep men with guns from doing terrible things.

    Now, McArdle doesn稚 actually have a solution to the problem and she surely doesn稚 have a firm grasp on how dearly Americans hold their rights. Her 都olution is to demand that the Right do something, which unfortunately some squishy Republicans seem poised to do. All it takes is the erosion of rights for government to take more control than it already has. And as we all know, once the government takes control of something, it never gives it back.

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    One area that the Left seems to be making headway in curbing gun rights is [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. On the surface this relationship doesn稚 make much sense. The progressives and the Left have railed against the evil corporations but are oddly at peace when corporations compete to be the most 努oke.

    Between the calls of employees and outside groups, corporations such as Wal-Mart (gasp! Not evil, soulless Wal-Mart!), Starbucks, Amazon, and eBay have either banned the sale of firearms or taken them off the shelves. And that is only on the retail side of the corporate world. Citigroup and Bank of America have restricted relations with gun manufacturers and retailers.

    While it is important to protect gun rights in the political arena, it is just as vital to keep an eye on what the business world is doing. Bills can be defeated in Congress but private companies have a free hand to do as they like, which includes no longer associating with companies that work in the firearm industry.




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    as sad as it is the only way to truly stop gun violence is total confiscation. If a gun can't be found a gun can't be used... That said, it only stands to reason that reasonable people who own guns can't continue to take the blame for the unreasonable people that use guns for mass slaughter.. although that very thing has been happening for decades. No one person nor no one entity can stop mass shootings. How is it someone can prevent something from happening by someone who can't be predicted as to their actions beforehand. There's no possible way to predict by red flag laws, psychoanalyzation or any other means what, when or even if someone is going to take action with a gun or any other weapon on the unsuspecting. Mind reading has not come about as yet and although there are professional analysts who can determine a " possibility" a suspect "might" go off there is no sure fire way to truly tell. At least not that I know of,, so their "plan" is to take away the evil weapon before anyone has a chance to use it... but then I'm just a dumbass old white country boy with a limited bigoted education in racism etc... so what do I know..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper123 View Post
    as sad as it is the only way to truly stop gun violence is total confiscation. If a gun can't be found a gun can't be used... That said, it only stands to reason that reasonable people who own guns can't continue to take the blame for the unreasonable people that use guns for mass slaughter.. although that very thing has been happening for decades. No one person nor no one entity can stop mass shootings. How is it someone can prevent something from happening by someone who can't be predicted as to their actions beforehand. There's no possible way to predict by red flag laws, psychoanalyzation or any other means what, when or even if someone is going to take action with a gun or any other weapon on the unsuspecting. Mind reading has not come about as yet and although there are professional analysts who can determine a " possibility" a suspect "might" go off there is no sure fire way to truly tell. At least not that I know of,, so their "plan" is to take away the evil weapon before anyone has a chance to use it... but then I'm just a dumbass old white country boy with a limited bigoted education in racism etc... so what do I know..



    First off there would be no way to do a total gun confiscation, it just physically could not be done. Secondly if they tried before they finished one state there would be home made guns on the market. From simple slam fire shotguns to homemade full auto SMG(which are fairly easy to make). Lastly IF this could be done it would only stop "gun violence", it would not stop violence. Why is it a gun is the only object to be associated with type of violence? When was the last time you heard of knife violence, vehicle violence, hammer violence?
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    The situation we’re finding ourselves in is quite obvious. The nation, not just non gun people, want something done about this. They want action. They want to see something done, even if it doesn’t work. Us gun owners are going to pay the price for some mental defectives. Will it make a difference? Depends who you are. The nation is going to call for a outright ban on all semi autos. When that doesn’t work they’ll look for the next thing to ban.
    This brings up the question; What are you willing to give up and how will you protect what you want to keep?
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    The cartels would smuggle them in, another big revenue stream.
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    How to stop mass shootings?
    Easy.
    - Outlaw socialism, communism and such
    - Abolish lobbism
    - Ban all "recreational" narcotics, bloody games and movies
    - Bring the Bible and Pledge Of Allegiance back to schools
    - Restore traditional family values
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    Quote Originally Posted by surevaliance View Post
    How to stop mass shootings?
    Easy.
    - Outlaw socialism, communism and such
    - Abolish lobbism
    - Ban all "recreational" narcotics, bloody games and movies
    - Bring the Bible and Pledge Of Allegiance back to schools
    - Restore traditional family values
    not a cure all but certainly wouldn't hurt
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    “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.” ~ Samuel Adams (1779)
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    Banning guns would just give the smugglers another profit line to "import". How many years has the "war on drugs" been trying to stop drugs. New York can't even stop truck loads of tax free cigarettes from North Carolina.

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    Someone bent on killing others will just make an IED. Radical muslims have been doing it for decades.

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