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    I have been doing my own person research online for the different calibers, and well I am even though I am not currently a Gun Owner myself I was curious as to what other Firearm owners would have to say about this. Basically I was looking at maybe down the road for 1 Bolt Action Rifle, and a Semi-Auto as well, and well the two main calibers that I narrowed it down to is the .223, and the .308. Both Calibers seem to be reasonably priced for the Better variety of Bold-Action, however I was only looking for one other those in particular. My main Issue is that they are both pretty far up there as far as the Semi-Auto's go, but the .308 are quite a bit higher than the .223 Rifles. Now I do realize that If I were to get The Semi-Auto for the .223 that can be modified also to shoot a weaker .22LR, but still the cost is a bit up there. Would anyone like to give me any suggestions, or help me out on this one? I was also thinking in terms of Ammo Cost, and Availability too under the grounds of a Minimalist variety of Caliber.

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    How do you plan of using your rifle? What do you plan on shooting?
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    Let me see if I can un-muddy the waters some by saying first-IF there were a simple solution to the

    caliber/ rifle type question, don't you think we would have figured it out, and be doing it?

    You won't find a firearm which will readily fire .223 and 22LR. For one thing, they have different types of

    priming designs. Perhaps you need a little perspective.

    22LR is a great "minimalist" caliber, and the Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 are both great 22LR semi-auto

    rifles. Get a Hornady reloading manual. A used one is fine, for now, because it's the information you will get

    from it, not for the purpose of reloading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therewolf View Post
    Let me see if I can un-muddy the waters some by saying first-IF there were a simple solution to the

    caliber/ rifle type question, don't you think we would have figured it out, and be doing it?

    You won't find a firearm which will readily fire .223 and 22LR. For one thing, they have different types of

    priming designs. Perhaps you need a little perspective.

    22LR is a great "minimalist" caliber, and the Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 are both great 22LR semi-auto

    rifles. Get a Hornady reloading manual. A used one is fine, for now, because it's the information you will get

    from it, not for the purpose of reloading.
    I think the OP is talking about an AR-15, which have .22LR conversion kits available.
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    Like most new folks you are asking the wrong question.

    The bolt action is suited to any and all calibers. It allows for increased strength, accuracy, ejection and feeding. You will find bolt action rifles chambered in ALL caibers but a semi-auto is limited in calibers. To try and go with your original premise get a bolt action in 308 then get your semi in 223 or 22 or both.

    The first in a series of questions I would want to ask you is what are your goals and budget? Do you have time frames?
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    Sooo, an AR15 for 223/556, @ 600$, the conversion kit for the AR to 22LR at 240$.

    (Yeah, the discussion seemed to be going in the direction of a conversion for a boltie)

    The conversion kit cost is the same as a good base model Marlin 60, or Ruger 10/22,

    but knock yourself out...

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    Back up a second. What do you mean when you say "better"? Lower price?, flatter trajectory? Energy delivered on target at a specified range? Total loadout weight on the trail?

    Until you can define "better", the question has so many answers as to be moot.

    Instead of trying to define the best rifle from first principles, go to the range, hit on friends and shoot as many as you can. Sooner or later, one of those rifles will speak to you saying I'm the one. Go with it.
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    How do you plan of using your rifle? What do you plan on shooting?
    Practice Shooting, Hunting of Small/Medium Game, and maybe Small Predators

    Let me see if I can un-muddy the waters some by saying first-IF there were a simple solution to the

    caliber/ rifle type question, don't you think we would have figured it out, and be doing it?

    You won't find a firearm which will readily fire .223 and 22LR. For one thing, they have different types of

    priming designs. Perhaps you need a little perspective.

    22LR is a great "minimalist" caliber, and the Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 are both great 22LR semi-auto

    rifles. Get a Hornady reloading manual. A used one is fine, for now, because it's the information you will get

    from it, not for the purpose of reloading.
    Yes I am aware that they will not be at Default the same Caliber in a single Rifle. What I meant was to interchange barrels as well. Yeah i did some research on the .22LR, and it is assumed the most inexpensive at the moment for practice shooting, and the Marlin 60 on it's own is currently cheaper than a barrel change i've noticed. Yes that is good advice about a reloading manual because I would rather not look like Elmer Fudd after shooting a double barrel shotgun, or worse.

    I think the OP is talking about an AR-15, which have .22LR conversion kits available.
    Yep that is what I was I was trying imply by .22LR, and .223 I just forgot to specify, but is there any benefit to using a barrel conversion kit on a more expensive model verses buying a Marlin 60, or otherwise?

    Like most new folks you are asking the wrong question.

    The bolt action is suited to any and all calibers. It allows for increased strength, accuracy, ejection and feeding. You will find bolt action rifles chambered in ALL calibers but a semi-auto is limited in calibers. To try and go with your original premise get a bolt action in 308 then get your semi in 223 or 22 or both.

    The first in a series of questions I would want to ask you is what are your goals and budget? Do you have time frames?
    Maybe so but, which would have greater accuracy at short/medium range distance as a Bolt-Action is what I should have been more specific about. Yeah concerning the array of BA calibers I think I remember seeing a wider variety. The SA probably more expensive I am guessing in part also because of the lower array of calibers?

    Sooo, an AR15 for 223/556, @ 600$, the conversion kit for the AR to 22LR at 240$.

    (Yeah, the discussion seemed to be going in the direction of a conversion for a boltie)

    The conversion kit cost is the same as a good base model Marlin 60, or Ruger 10/22,

    but knock yourself out...
    Yes, but I am thinking that the AR-15 is a bit much altogether, and the Marlin 60 I remember seeing for like 160$ + SH somewhere as a Semi-Auto. I am wondering if it would be better for a SA .22LR Semi-Auto, and a .223 + .308 for the Bolt-Actions (Basically 2 Bolt-Action Rifles, and one SA). Your right though if it will cost the same for a barrel conversion as a new Rifle then why not just get the other rifle?

    Back up a second. What do you mean when you say "better"? Lower price?, flatter trajectory? Energy delivered on target at a specified range? Total loadout weight on the trail?

    Until you can define "better", the question has so many answers as to be moot.

    Instead of trying to define the best rifle from first principles, go to the range, hit on friends and shoot as many as you can. Sooner or later, one of those rifles will speak to you saying I'm the one. Go with it.
    As far as Better/Lower Price I mean a more "modest" price when it comes to the obtainment of all three calibers (.22LR, .223, .308) without buying something junky, and unreliable. As far as Trajectory being able to shoot accurately enough for both a beginner, and more of a novice as well. I am thinking in terms of "Multi-Purpose" overall, but mainly Practice Shooting, Hunting under "Most" circumstances no more than medium game, and also maybe smaller predators. Yeah I do realize that I would probably have to try things out, and ask more from others first before I take that leap of a decision, but for the time being I am doing online research to prepare before-hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeechy View Post
    Practice Shooting, Hunting of Small/Medium Game, and maybe Small Predators



    Yes I am aware that they will not at Default the same Caliber in a single Rifle. What I meant was to interchange barrels as well. Yeah i did some research on the .22LR, and it is assumed the most inexpensive at the moment for practice shooting, and the Marlin 60 on it's own is currently cheaper than a barrel change i've noticed. Yes that is good advice about a reloading manual because I would rather not like Elmer Fudd after shooting a double barrel shotgun.



    Yep that is what I was I was trying imply by .22LR, and .223 I just forgot to specify, but is there any benefit to using a barrel conversion kit on a more expensive model verses buying a Marlin 60, or otherwise?



    Maybe so but, which would have greater accuracy at shot/medium range distance as a Bolt-Action is what I should have been more specific about. Yeah concerning the array of BA calibers I think I remember seeing a wider variety. The SA probably more expensive I am guessing in part also because of the lower array of calibers?



    Yes, but I am thinking that the AR-15 is a bit much altogether, and the Marlin 60 I remember seeing for like 160$ + SH somewhere as a Semi-Auto. I am wondering if it would be better for a SA .22LR Semi-Auto, and a .223 + .308 for the Bolt-Actions (Basically 2 Bolt-Action Rifles, and one SA). Your right though if it will cost the same for a barrel conversion as a new Rifle then why not just get the other rifle?



    As far as Better/Lower Price I mean a more "modest" price when it comes to the obtainment of all three calibers (.22LR, .223, .308) without buying something junky, and unreliable. As far as Trajectory being able to shoot accurately enough for both a beginner, and more of a novice as well. I am thinking in terms of "Multi-Purpose" overall, but mainly Practice Shooting, Hunting under "Most" circumstances no more than medium game, and also maybe smaller predators. Yeah I do realize that I would probably have to try things out, and ask more from others first before I take that leap of a decision, but for the time being I am doing online research to prepare before-hand.
    You are describing the need/want for rifles in both calibers.

    A Marlin Model 60 will not fulfill your stated needs. It is a very good 'starter rifle', though.

    Purchase an entry level (budget) Savage or Ruger bolt action rifle chambered in .223 Rem. It should fulfill most of what you want (ammo is cheaper to purchase than .308 Win, as well). Get good with it. Then decide if you need another rifle chambered in .308 Win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    You are describing the need/want for rifles in both calibers.

    A Marlin Model 60 will not fulfill your stated needs. It is a very good 'starter rifle', though.

    Purchase an entry level (budget) Savage or Ruger bolt action rifle chambered in .223 Rem. It should fulfill most of what you want (ammo is cheaper to purchase than .308 Win, as well). Get good with it. Then decide if you need another rifle chambered in .308 Win.
    I agree. You should listen to this guy. He forgot more about guns than most 10 of us will ever know.

    A decent 22LR rifle is important for any serious shooter. IMHO, the 60 has a slightly better barrel than the Ruger 10/22.

    Two other things-

    1. Don't ever buy a cheap gun, you will regret it from that day forward. Stay with recognized

    brand names.

    2. If you live in an area of high humidity, you should consider stainless finishes, rather than blued models.
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