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    Where are you getting your Mini-14 prices Adam?
    If I had a dollar for every brain Obama DIDN'T have, I would have one dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigweatherby View Post
    You need to ask yourself this too, If you spend hundreds of dollars on a rifle, just how muddy and unmaintained are you going to let it get?
    Not only that, but you need a timetable for when you think the zombies are going to attack you. So you can be ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigweatherby View Post
    Where are you getting your Mini-14 prices Adam?
    I have seen a couple for sale at our local gun shops.
    Right now the Ruger's seem to be out of favor due to the extreme popularity of the AR's, therefore AR prices are skyrocketing just like in any bubble, and Ruger prices are plunging in response.

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    If you can find a new one for under 5 bills, then get it. That is a fantastic price.
    If I had a dollar for every brain Obama DIDN'T have, I would have one dollar.

    Happiness is campfire light reflecting off your sons smiling face.

    Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellis359 View Post
    this to me would seem like the perfect rifle. would this be a good gun with the gritty ruggedness of the ak mud gun but with the general ballistics of an ar 15.
    the things that have been keeping me from going and building my own ar 15 is the fact that it requires a lot more TLC. ive heard they like to run wet on lube and oil where an ak can run even if it has been neglected on cleaning.
    the thing thats been keeping me from buying an ak is the weight of the rifle and its ammunition and the ballistics where ive heard its general (meaning for a shooter who isnt exactly masterful) range with a 7.62x39 is about 200 yards.
    ive heard the .223/5.56 has a much better range. so wouldnt an ak mud gun chambered in .223/5.56 be a nitty gritty workhorse with the general range of an ar 15.
    im a novice in firearms. i have fired an ar 15 and i love the platform and im trying to purchase my first rifle. key points: i like the lighter weight of the ar-15 and its potential range but the ruggedness and ability of an ak to be abused a little is a very appealing factor to me as well. i was looking at the saiga .223.
    i know this is a debate that people get very impassioned about and thats its probably been overdone already as it is. just looking for some impartial advice.

    i was originally going to build an ar-15 with a .22lr upper and move to 5.56 later, but the maintenance factor that an ar-15 requires has been keeping me from "pulling the trigger" on the project. how often is it absolutely critical to strip and clean an ar-15? call me an idiot or whatever you like just please shed some truth on my concerns. thank you folks!

    THE PERFECT RIFLE means different things to different people.
    For horsemen, the perfect rifle is a lever action. Definitely not an AR or AK.
    For hunters, REAL hunters, not guys pretending to be hunters, the perfect rifle is the old classic 1903 design in the bolt action, with a lot of debate about a scope AND iron sights, and loop mounts, so you can set the scope on 700+ yards and the iron sights on 600 or less.
    For serious self defense, the ideal weapon is not even a rifle at all but a shotgun with 00-buck and slugs mixed.
    Zombie guns are a far cry from "the perfect rifle." Not even close -- unles the zombie apocalypse dominates your entire though process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigweatherby View Post
    If you can find a new one for under 5 bills, then get it. That is a fantastic price.
    When I move away from California in retirement (to Nevada or Colorado) then I will definitely think about another Mini-14. In the meantime, see my reply above about zombie guns.

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    You can have my share of the AKs. Having fired more than a few in my time, I prefer other rifles these days.

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