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    Hey guys, new here and looking to buy my first gun/guns. Basically, I'm looking for a collection to serve all needs so a handgun (CC possible), revolver (CC possible), shotgun (Home Defense) and a rifle.

    So far I have semi-decided on the following:

    1) Glock Model 19 9mm
    2) Remington 870 12 gague (Strap)
    3) Ruger 10/22 22lr (Scope and Strap)
    4) Smith and wesson 375 /OR/ Colt Python 4"

    Thoughts?

    I'm going to buy one at a time, a few months apart to allow me to get used to the first gun before I get my next toy. I'm thinking I should get the Glock first, right?

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    How much experience do you have? If its little then I would say start with the 22 rifle. Reason for that and many old timers will tell you that learning the ropes on a 22lr is the best start. I would even suggest you consider a 22lr pistol like a Ruger MK or Browning Buckmark, there are others that would be good choices as well.

    As to the CC piece, a Glock 19 is do-able but it is about as large as you really want to go. Mine is a CZ P07, but there is nothing wrong with the Glock 19 I had one in years past.

    The revolver is a good choice as well but keep in mind good quality 357s are not cheap anymore, I don't suggest the budget brands, the S&W or Colt are good but will cost a bunch more than a Taurus or Rossi, but you get what you pay for so I suggest spending the extra on the S&W or Colt.

    22lr rifles, the Ruger 10/22 is the small block chevrolet of the gun world. You can do an awful lot with them. It can go from mild to wild. There are other good choices in semi auto and bolt guns as well.

    Remington 870 is a great pump shotgun, the Mossberg 500 is as well but IMO the Remington is better. But you mention that you want it for home defense. Do you live on a large piece of property? Now I know a lot of folks suggest pump shotguns for home defense, unless you have acres to deal with I don't think you need anything more than a good pistol to defend your home with. To prove a point I used to have a 26" chunk of 2X4 that I would hand someone and tell them to try and walk through their home holding it and not let anyone see the 2X4 before you can see into the room but still have it as if it was a shotgun and you are ready to fire it. In most cases if they do the exercise correctly its hard to do, you telegraph that you have the gun. Its just much easier and safer to move through out a home with a pistol, as far as being lethal, practice is the key, not a bigger gun.

    One other thing on home defense, you hear someone talk about if they hear an intruder they'll rack the slide on their pistol or pump a round into the shotgun .... and most of the time they follow that with "it makes a very distinctive sound" (Thanks Clint Eastwood for the movie line.) once again you are telling the intruder that you have a gun, he may as well and kill you to take yours. After the following comments at a match I attended "I'll just rack a round into my pump shotgun" and "I'd drop the slide on my 1911" by some guys, a friend of mine made the best comment I ever heard, "I don't know about all that I just quietly flip the safety off and wait for them to come to me".

    As I mentioned practice is key, I tell folks "you might shoot better with a better gun, but a better gun doesn't make you a better shooter." Also I'm a firm believer in practice with what you carry, if you use it in a specific holster always do so. Use the same ammo for practice and carry (yes that can be expensive, you life is worth the money.) Also remember USPSA, IDPA and all the other competitions are games, not real world training. Hope my words are wise for you.

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    I'm brand new to shooting, well, I have been several times, but not regularly. I would say five times, so a novice.

    I don't really have a set budget, I want to get the best guns, within reason. I would feel anything over $1,300 per gun would be over kill. Ideally, I would like to spend less than $4k for the lot, but willing to go over if I need to. The way I see it, I want to keep these guns for the rest of my life, and I think this should be possible. So an initial outlay is something I can overlook (I do need to keep the wife happy too, can't spend too much...).

    I don't have a large place right now, but I will be moving to a large place within 5 years. Currently about 1000 square feet, but we will be in a place with 3000 to 5000 eventually.

    I could get the rifle first. I have no real preference as to which I get first. I won't be carrying concealed until I'm more familiar with guns and had some form of training. I have read that the Ruger is a great gun to learn with, so I will probably get that first.

    I haven't really given too much thought to the use of a hand gun for home defense, but you raise a good point. Much better to see them before they see you. I would still get the shotgun even if I opt to use the handgun for home defense, I love shooting shotguns!

    Do you think the Glock 19 would be a good all round gun for home defense, CC and range shooting?

    One of my friends goes shooting once a week, and I will be going with him weekly (occasionally twice a week). My local range is about 10 miles away and cheap enough to frequently visit.

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    A good .22 pistol is a smart choice, rugar or browning, personaly I'd go for the Rugar. practice practice practice, then go for the other firearms. One other thing thiink safety and if you have kids ro are going to, get a safe to store everything. just some random thoughts.
    Shoot safe
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    The Ruger .22 looks very cool, and is a cheap gun to learn with. Do you have any recommendations as to the actual model I should get?

    I don't have any kids right now, again within the next 5 years I will have those. I'm going to get a safe anyway, I will need one eventually so it makes sense to get one right away. I will just get a small one for the time being to hold the pistol then after about three months I will get the rifle.

    I'm in no rush to get all the guns, or any one of them. I just want one so I can hit the ranges and get learning.

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    Ruger has come out with some interesting .22 handguns lately. My suggestion would be to go and handle them, fire them at a rental range if possible and see which ones feel good to you. They are Rugers so dependability is pretty much a given. Just wanted to add, I`m with Dave_Z on the 870. All kind of barrel options and accessories available. Mossberg is like that too. I`m just partial to the 870.
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    David,

    The Glock 19 is a good solid pistol that will treat you well for many years as long as it fits you well. The reason I went with the CZ over the Glock was it feels better in my hand. I would suggest that you go to a gun shop or gun show and handle several handguns and see what feels right. For my son it was a IMI Baby Eagle that fit him like a glove, he loves that gun and it shoots great. I'd say the Baby Eagle is the best CZ75 clone on the market. But it comes down to what feels right in your hands, I can tell you about how some guns function, but I can't tell you if it will feel natural. Hope that helps.

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    For the rugar I like the MK II or MK III, I have three MK II's, again go to a range and handle and shoot some. As far as the a 9MM goes again personal opinon try the Sig and the many models of them. If you have someone you trust don't forget used firearms. You can get some great deals that way but find some one you trust to look them over first, buyer be where, used from a range you should be able to test drive before buying. also look in to S&W for a 9MM. For a wheel gun Rugar also makes a great wheel guns GP100 ect. Again look at used K frame and L frame I have 9 variations of .357 in my safe 4-6 inch barrels make and Models.
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    I carried a glock 19 for much of the past 15 years, usually concealed with no problems. Stateside I carry a glock 23 daily as my ccw (same size as the 19 but in .40 S&W caliber). The 19 will easily meet your needs for a CC, home defense and range gun. The Ruger Mk II or Mk III makes an excellent training/plinking .22 pistol/ I prefer the Browning Buckmark but have both. The Remington 870 express gun will meet all your shotgun needs, and the 10/22 is a nice small game and plinking rifle. One reason you might want to consider buying you defense pistol first - the elections are coming up. I think if Obama wins we're going to see a huge push on gun control. Buying normal capacity magazines for your pistol may become a problem. Colt no longer makes the Python. Used models are fairly easy to find here in S.E. Texas, but they go for $1300.00 or more - usually more. Either a S&W or GP100 .357 will serve you very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olhippy View Post
    Ruger has come out with some interesting .22 handguns lately. My suggestion would be to go and handle them, fire them at a rental range if possible and see which ones feel good to you. They are Rugers so dependability is pretty much a given. Just wanted to add, I`m with Dave_Z on the 870. All kind of barrel options and accessories available. Mossberg is like that too. I`m just partial to the 870.
    Yeah, from what I have read, there isn't all that much in them. Seems to come down to the individual. I think I will try both out, but I am leaning toward the 870.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Z View Post
    David,

    The Glock 19 is a good solid pistol that will treat you well for many years as long as it fits you well. The reason I went with the CZ over the Glock was it feels better in my hand. I would suggest that you go to a gun shop or gun show and handle several handguns and see what feels right. For my son it was a IMI Baby Eagle that fit him like a glove, he loves that gun and it shoots great. I'd say the Baby Eagle is the best CZ75 clone on the market. But it comes down to what feels right in your hands, I can tell you about how some guns function, but I can't tell you if it will feel natural. Hope that helps.

    Dave Z
    I'm quite a slim guy (6 foot. 165 - 170 lbs) and my hands are not massive, so the 19 should do the trick. I will 100% try it out before I buy.



    I have been researching the Glock 19 for some time, and have fired it a few times before. It was very nice to hold, and I got off a few decent shots -- far from expert though.


    Quote Originally Posted by jtguns View Post
    For the rugar I like the MK II or MK III, I have three MK II's, again go to a range and handle and shoot some. As far as the a 9MM goes again personal opinon try the Sig and the many models of them. If you have someone you trust don't forget used firearms. You can get some great deals that way but find some one you trust to look them over first, buyer be where, used from a range you should be able to test drive before buying. also look in to S&W for a 9MM. For a wheel gun Rugar also makes a great wheel guns GP100 ect. Again look at used K frame and L frame I have 9 variations of .357 in my safe 4-6 inch barrels make and Models.
    Shhot safe
    JT
    I never really thought about used guns. Just done a very quick search and seems that most people have a combination of new and used. That could save me some cash to spend on ammo, or another gun.

    I will have a look into what to look for, and take a friend. I'm going to take a look at both the MK 11 and MK 111 when I get time.

    Quote Originally Posted by budroe View Post
    I carried a glock 19 for much of the past 15 years, usually concealed with no problems. Stateside I carry a glock 23 daily as my ccw (same size as the 19 but in .40 S&W caliber). The 19 will easily meet your needs for a CC, home defense and range gun. The Ruger Mk II or Mk III makes an excellent training/plinking .22 pistol/ I prefer the Browning Buckmark but have both. The Remington 870 express gun will meet all your shotgun needs, and the 10/22 is a nice small game and plinking rifle. One reason you might want to consider buying you defense pistol first - the elections are coming up. I think if Obama wins we're going to see a huge push on gun control. Buying normal capacity magazines for your pistol may become a problem. Colt no longer makes the Python. Used models are fairly easy to find here in S.E. Texas, but they go for $1300.00 or more - usually more. Either a S&W or GP100 .357 will serve you very well.
    Yeah, I have been hearing about the gun control issue, that is what prompted me to initially start looking into this now. I have no real problem buying all the guns in one chunk other then I will be tempted to play with them all rather than practicing on one gun before moving on.

    I have been told that is a bad idea, better to walk before you can run and all that.

    I didn't know that about the Colt. I think I will go with the S&W. I was leaning towards that anyway, and the cost of the Colt is easily enough to push me onto the S&W!

    Quote Originally Posted by budroe View Post
    I carried a glock 19 for much of the past 15 years, usually concealed with no problems. Stateside I carry a glock 23 daily as my ccw (same size as the 19 but in .40 S&W caliber). The 19 will easily meet your needs for a CC, home defense and range gun. The Ruger Mk II or Mk III makes an excellent training/plinking .22 pistol/ I prefer the Browning Buckmark but have both. The Remington 870 express gun will meet all your shotgun needs, and the 10/22 is a nice small game and plinking rifle. One reason you might want to consider buying you defense pistol first - the elections are coming up. I think if Obama wins we're going to see a huge push on gun control. Buying normal capacity magazines for your pistol may become a problem. Colt no longer makes the Python. Used models are fairly easy to find here in S.E. Texas, but they go for $1300.00 or more - usually more. Either a S&W or GP100 .357 will serve you very well.
    Yeah, I have been hearing about the gun control issue, that is what prompted me to initially start looking into this now. I have no real problem buying all the guns in one chunk other then I will be tempted to play with them all rather than practicing on one gun before moving on.

    I have been told that is a bad idea, better to walk before you can run and all that.

    I didn't know that about the Colt. I think I will go with the S&W. I was leaning towards that anyway, and the cost of the Colt is easily enough to push me onto the S&W!


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    Thanks for all your help guys, I really appreciate it.

    I'm going to look into possible law changes, to see whether I should buy them all in one go.

    Subject to trying the guns out my revised list:

    Ruger MK III
    Glock Model 19 (But I'm going to try out a few more)
    Remington 870
    Ruger 10/22 22lr
    Smith and Wesson .375 (Going to look at a Ruger GP100)

    Also going to look into used guns, great tip.

    Thanks again, any more advise or comments and I will be sure to reply!

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