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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickdrawMcgraw View Post
    Going to point this out - thing is with the saying "worlds largest army". I'm open if someone wants to help me see what I'm not seeing. I kind of look at that like its some gung- ho kid saying it, looking to trump / one up some other kid on the playground. Theyre so many fuds out there who would turn n run or turn people in and just give up their firearms. Yet not every hunter is some fud. If there was a way to break it down, though there's not. America is the largest "non standing army" - based on the fuds out there being some part of defending America or helping America during some type of civil unrest- um they wont. They'll rather comply and turn you in. Benedict arnolds. I've seen fuds at hearings and town / city meetings and talk to lots. They are 100% not for the Second Amendment in believing what it says and is for - long with other parts of the Bill of Rights and theyre for more firearm laws. I don't put faith in fuds.
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    I am not sure on your thinking, but all hunters I know supplement their food source and always eat what they kill or grow. And I don't think that most hunters will give up their guns willingly.

    It is a way of life and as of now a freedom to do so. I want quit until I'm dead even with my disabilities.

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    I have no clue was always thinking much lower But I would not put past politicians of stacking Law Enforcement Purchases with Civilian to inflate numbers. Police Stations small towns and Security Firms both Private and Commercial If the 4473 is tabulated? Just my musings Every Gun sales/purchase (not private) is supposed to receive 4473 I know several can go on one form, Or Is it the NCIC calls counted??
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    Again I will post this as FACT. And all are snipers in disguise.

    Interesting slant on things:




    AMERICA'S HUNTERS --- Pretty Amazing!

    The world's largest army... America 's hunters!

    I had never thought about this...

    A blogger added up the deer license sales

    in just a handful of states and

    arrived at a striking conclusion:

    There were over 600,000 hunters

    this season in the state of Wisconsin .



    Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

    More men under arms than in Iran .

    More than France and Germany combined.

    These men
    deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin,
    to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.
    That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters,all of whom have now returned home safely.


    Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

    And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.

    It's millions more.

    The point?

    America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

    Hunting...it's not just a way to fill the freezer.

    It's a matter of national security.

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    That's why all enemies,

    foreign and domestic,

    want to see us disarmed.

    Food for thought, when next we
    consider gun control.


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    Overall it's true,

    so if we
    disregard some assumptions

    that hunters don't possess the same skills as soldiers,
    the question would still remain...what army of 2 million

    would want to face 30 or 40 million armed citizens.

    For the sake of our freedom,

    don't ever allow gun control

    or confiscation of guns.
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    I like the enthusiasm there n was with you in my younger years until I thought bout it, looked, talked, then saw. Thing is, I would not say its fact. How many who have their license to hunt actually hunt? Actually hunt often? Are good hunters? How many bait their prey? How many hunters r of what age? How popular is hunting and is it growing? Lets not forget, how old is this saying? Just because a license data base claims this, it does not mean they are all "snipers in disguise" (as you put it) or will fight. How many sit in a tree or some tent / blind of such?...snipers, really? This is not being s good sniper if you ask me. Don't willingly believe that numbers mean everything in this and everyone with a firearm will stand. Like I said before, this saying is like kids on the school play ground trying to one up each other. Just pointing out what people overlook.

    Thing is I think you're getting mixed up with the word fud. While a fud is a hunter he is the worst hunter out there for our Rights, and to count on if invaded or for some civil uprising. The play on word fud is from Elmer J. Fudd a cartoon character from the 1940's through the early to mid 60's - someone correct me on the dates if I'm wrong. Where this cartoon characters mind set was only on hunting and he hunted with a shotgun, double barreled sometimes, dressed in the traditional time period hunting wear.




    Quote Originally Posted by up2it View Post
    1st bullet. 2nd to---anti gunners.

    I am not sure on your thinking, but all hunters I know supplement their food source and always eat what they kill or grow. And I don't think that most hunters will give up their guns willingly.

    It is a way of life and as of now a freedom to do so. I want quit until I'm dead even with my disabilities.

    That's the thing and you missed the flaw in thinking that ALL hunters will stand up and defend this country. Not talking bout the way of life here and why hunters hunt. I hunt too and see these fuds often like I said before. While they're r tons hunters who will stand, there are a lots of (if not equal number) of fuds out there in our ranks and they will comply. Anyone can be patriotic until it comes to do patriotic stuff, like most fuds out there. Fuds will give up their firearms if told to do so and would turn people in. If they r left with a single shot shotgun or were told to use muskets for hunting and no scopes on these tools ("snipers") they would. And they would still have a party n relish in it. Probably stating this is the way hunting should be done and blindly say this is what Seconded Amendment is for. Don't be fooled that just because fuds hunt (there's s ton out there) they are with firearm owners and for the Bill of Rights, they're not. Fuds support search and seizures, support gun control - and want more, they're for firearm bans, ammunition bans, support universal background checks, etc. They stand in their smugness wanting to feel like they're special and only thing they want to do, like you said, is to hunt. The fuds want to be left alone. Like up top, just pointing out what people blindly over look.
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    ANOTHER poll: 423 million guns, 8.1 billion rounds, which averages out to about 20 rounds per gun? That doesn't sound right...

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    The problem with the “largest army” comment I’ve seen for decades is that 2 million people all aiming in the opposite direction isn’t very effective. Logically and logistically it would be impossible to coordinate this “army” and if you’re having a tug of war and 4 people on one side are all pulling in different directions you're gonna lose. What are you going to do...... shoot everyone that looks like the enemy? You expect an enemy to be wearing a “hi, my name is” tag? We may have the most guns, .....we DO have the most guns, .....but who is going to tell you where to aim them? The fake news? The dems? I mean it’s a nice thought that we have “all the guns” but they are useless with untrained, uncoordinated, misguided direction. Waaaayyyyy to many logistics to pull that off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nrah View Post
    ANOTHER poll: 423 million guns, 8.1 billion rounds, which averages out to about 20 rounds per gun? That doesn't sound right...

    I just read that too. With that many guns if there was a gun problem i think people would really know it. yeah the round count seems a bit off. I won't mention my round per gun ration but i'm pretty sure it's a bit more than 20 per gun.
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    You have to consider that there are some people that are less than vigilant about maintaining their ammo supply. Probably not enough to bring the total down to 20 per gun, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by One1 View Post
    The problem with the “largest army” comment I’ve seen for decades is that 2 million people all aiming in the opposite direction isn’t very effective. Logically and logistically it would be impossible to coordinate this “army” and if you’re having a tug of war and 4 people on one side are all pulling in different directions you're gonna lose. What are you going to do...... shoot everyone that looks like the enemy? You expect an enemy to be wearing a “hi, my name is” tag? We may have the most guns, .....we DO have the most guns, .....but who is going to tell you where to aim them? The fake news? The dems? I mean it’s a nice thought that we have “all the guns” but they are useless with untrained, uncoordinated, misguided direction. Waaaayyyyy to many logistics to pull that off.
    423 million guns without leadership will not be an effective army...this is similar to the Chinese mindset fifty years ago (today too) in that they were confident because of their numbers, even though the common folk are not an army in the slightest, and they are not even armed. But, we cannot discount the historical truths of our own revolution against England, wherein the untrained populace managed to rally around leadership to fight and beat the largest known army in the world at the time...and most all those colonists had guns. That is the background that shapes the second amendment.

    But in those days their firearms were treated as necessary tools of survival in much tougher living conditions where the maintenance of the firearm and skills was more necessary. Today’s gun owners are not so judicious in large part, though their are a core who do, but a lot of those 423 million guns are owned by people who are untrained, unpracticed and ill prepared for any potential conflict in which they might find themselves. As is pointed out already, a lot of folks maintain little to no ammunition supply, but simply buy it for the occasion of shooting or hunting.

    423 million guns does not make a militia; but when the owners of said guns have resolve, it can be much different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nrah View Post
    ANOTHER poll: 423 million guns, 8.1 trillion rounds, which averages out to about 20 rounds per gun? That doesn't sound right...
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