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    Cool Concealed Carry & Open Carry - It is the same basic Right

    i would like to start a conversation regarding the rift between the to carry options.

    It should be personal preference, and it is really about the 2nd Amendment after all!




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    In Texas its a very simple argument. Concealed carry is legal, open carry is not. I support OC, and would happy to see it approved in the state. Don't think its going to happen in the next year or two.
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    The best argument I read.
    The Constitution says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    So if the government puts restrictions on one carry option the other must be Constitutional carry.
    The government wants control of both ways.

    I say bearing arms is one thing with two choices.
    People today seem to prefer out of sight out of mind.
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    I think? Out in the open probably serves all better.


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    Open carry is fine in its place, but when a bunch of OC activists appeared inside a Jack in the Box restaurant in Texas, the employees locked themselves in the freezer in fear. Now [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].
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    I live in Pa, and have all my life, and as I have said before, when this subject has come up on this forum, I am glad that for now this is a pro gun state, with open carry, concealed carry, and stand your ground law. And I hope it stays this way. As for other states that are anything but pro gun, I would believe it would be very hard to turn things around any time soon. It is up to the sheriff in each county here to isse a LTCF, and some counties are quick in issuing the permit and some are very slow. But you still must pass the background check in any county. The sheriffs office has. 45 days to reply either way to your application. The county I live in is very quick to reply to your application. Now in regards to personal preference, I have a LTCF and I can open carry anywhere in this state, except Philadelphia, where you have to have a LTCF to even open carry. So I could there also, but someone without one could not. Now I personally do not open carry, except on hiking trails and game lands and state forests, even though I could open carry anywhere I choose to except where posted not to. I have lived in this state for 69 years, and maybe I wasn't at the right place at the right time, but in all these years I have NEVER seen anyone open carrying. I have read newspaper articles about it, but never personally seen it, and I am not against it. As far as concealed carry, I do on occasion, depending on the area I am traveling in. I mostly make use of my LTCF to keep my revolver loaded in the car while traveling from place to place in this state. To each his own. I hope I always have this freedom concerning a hand gun in this state. However it is against the law in Pa. to have a loaded long gun in a vehicle.
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    Where (Maine and Virginia) and when (1940s and 1950s) I grew up, open carry was rather common. BUT it was considered good form to remove said firearm when entering a populated area (town). Politeness and good manners seem to be the missing ingredients in this recent (and misguided, I believe) push for 'open carry'.
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    I prefer conceal carry because it leaves the bad guys wondering who's carrying and who isn't. However, there should not be any infringement if one wants to carry open or concealed, because sometimes carrying concealed is not practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JYD911 View Post
    i would like to start a conversation regarding the rift between the to carry options.

    It should be personal preference, and it is really about the 2nd Amendment after all!

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]Speak your mind, but remember, we are all brothers and sisters in this fight for the Constitution!

    A lot of things are personal preference, and a lot of our preferences fall within our Constitutional rights. But not all of those choices carry the same baggage. We have freedom of speech - including use of the N word, the C word, and so forth, but some speech is considered OK in polite society, and some isn't. Some speech can even get you fired, some can get you arrested. We have freedom of religion, but if you think animal sacrifice isn't going to bring outrage, you're not thinking. We have freedom of association. Whom do you respect - the crackheads, and druggies, or the doctors who work to cure them? Yeah, we have freedom of the press, but is the pornographer held in the same esteem as the great philosopher?


    Here in Arizona, we have the most gun-friendly laws in the country. We enjoy Constitutional concealed carry as well as open carry. Your preference. I respect the person exercising his concealed carry option. I am annoyed and irritated at the attention whore who is open carrying a rifle in an urban environment. Slightly less so with open carry of handguns, but only slightly less. Open carry is fine (even I do it) when hiking in the wilderness (we call it the desert out here), in hunting camp, or in some other outdoorsy rural pursuit. But please, in stores, restaurants, parks, offices, wherever in else in public, carry concealed, or not at all. And no, I don't want to hear your side of it - I know all the arguments for open carry and I reject them.
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    I think it would be a great pleasure to open carry and never have a question asked or eyebrow raised. But I don't think it will happen in my lifetime - it hasn't happened yet and things are not looking better.

    I think the constitution is clear "...shall not be infringed." but I'm not sure our forefathers ever thought "arms" might mean nuclear or chemical. So what that suggests is times have changed...sometimes laws/rules need to change perhaps even if it means the constitution needs modification.

    If that needs to happen it should be by the people - not just politicians, money-bags or a selective force that isn't affected by the rules. << This rule is already in place but is not honored. This is part of the problem. If we could fix it, we might fix a lot of other issues too.

    Open or concealed carry can and is being done without incident...I hope it continues.
    It is still a scary thought as to how close we came to having Hillary Clinton as president of the USA.

    I don't think children should be separated from their parents when migrating to the USA. They may stay together in Mexico.

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