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    Quote Originally Posted by JYD911 View Post
    i would like to start a conversation regarding the rift between the to carry options.

    It should be personal preference, and it is really about the 2nd Amendment after all!

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    You're correct - it is about the second amendment. And open carry in areas where people are not (and never will be) accustomed to seeing firearms on non LEO's does more to HURT our second amendment rights than anything else. A high price to pay to satisfy OC'er's craving for attention.
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    I have to agree with all the above. As long as it's in the constitution and people have the right to buy & carry arms, how they carry them (concealed or open) should be a matter of personal choice, and the law, be it federal, state, or local, should go no further in limiting their choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster View Post
    Open carry is fine in its place, but when a bunch of OC activists appeared inside a Jack in the Box restaurant in Texas, the employees locked themselves in the freezer in fear. Now [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].
    That turned out to be a media lie, it was a passer buy, that called, here is the quote from CJ, and the ONLY 911 call.

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    Open carry advocates legally exercising their right to keep and bear arms made news last week in Fort Worth. Several media agencies immediately reported the presence of armed individuals at the Jack In The Box resulted in employees "locking themselves inside a freezer for protection out of fear the rifle-carrying men would rob them."

    Open Carry Texas reached out to the Fort Worth Police Department and Jack In The Box headquarters to verify this report. While Fort Worth Police Department has failed to explain their statement to the media, Jack In The Box Director of Asset Protection Gene James made the following statement:

    "What I can raise my hand on and swear to an oath is that what I was told by my employees is that they did not seek refuge in the freezer. On its face, the freezer thing make no sense."

    Open Carry Texas obtained a copy of the 911 call that resulted in no less than nine patrol cars and 15 officers arriving on scene. The 911 call was not made by an employee or customer inside the Jack In The Box, but by a passerby leaving a nearby Home Depot. He reported seeing armed demonstrators walking "towards" the restaurant.

    "It looks I like I seen[sic] four caucasian or white men walking towards the Jack In The Box located off the highway, uh, walking with assault assault rifles and cameras just walking casually through the parking lot."

    The caller later stated, "they're all wearing, you know, three of them are wearing shorts. They just, you know, dressed casually walking around casually with what looked like assault rifles."

    Open Carry Texas will be releasing the 911 audio once we have been able to edit out personal identifying information later today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JYD911 View Post
    That turned out to be a media lie, it was a passer buy, that called, here is the quote from CJ, and the ONLY 911 call.
    What lie? The freezer or the result? Jack in the Box corporate has now ordered all their locations in states where it is possible to bar firearms. A few yahoos carrying ARs have made a mess. I can't for the life of me see a silver lining to this type of mindless "demonstration." There is no possible way that any single person will be convinced to support open carry over this mess, yet it is easy to see how much this type of thing will cost us support. Who cares who called 911? People were frightened. 9 radio cars responded. We all lost - one more chain of restaurants will now ban our presence. I have been keeping and bearing arms for over half a century, and never scared anyone who was not a direct threat to me. Enjoy your "victory." Cry all you want about the "media lie." This sort of stuff drives legitimate open carry further toward a dark corner of a lunatic fringe, and away from the mainstream, where many of us would rather it reside. Open carry for a purpose involving possible firearms use is already legal, but open carry for no more purpose than to garner publicity puts that status in jeopardy. Do you guys take money from Bloomberg? Or did he get a freebee?
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    It amazes me that this debate or argument has been around for well over 100 years. In Texas, when the Rangers were a small fledgling state operated "special force", one of the things they had to do was to assist town sheriffs in enforcing a "no carry in town law". A lot of areas of the state had no gun rules in place to try and curb outlaws and drunks and hell raisers from unnecessary use of guns to get their point across. So, the ones who wanted to have a gun on them found creative ways to carry them. As early as the 1870-1880`s laws were in place for no carry or no open carry. . I`m rereading a book about the history of the Rangers called " Wearing of the Cinco Peso" by Mike Cox. They used to,get a cinco (5) cent (peso) piece of Mexican denomination and carve their badges out of the silver coin.The 5 pointed star within a circle is still the badge worn today by the Rangers. Anyway, the argument on this is an old one. I for one like the option of open carry but I carry concealed in public, open carry when out in the wild. Here in Indiana they have open or conceled carry once you get a permit. If my shirt rides up while doing something and my revolver gets exposed, I don`t have to worry about getting thrown in jail. But I`m not one to strut around and show off to people that I carry. Like a lot of others here, it irritates the crap out of me seeing some joker strutting around with an AR claiming it`s his right to do so. John Q. Public gets nervous about seeing that happen. Hell, I get nervous seeing someone do that. To me it`s a matter of common courtesy. Kinda like spitting on the floor, it just ain`t right.
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    It all come back to common courtesy and having at least some respect for your fellow Americans. For better or for worse, there are a lot of people out there who fear all guns and who also fear us for carrying them. You cannot force your lifestyle choices on another person. It's just not right.

    So every once in a while a 2nd Amendment fringe advocate decides to make a YouTube video to show off how clever he is and how well he knows the law so he struts around in public with an AR on his back demanding that he has the right to carry it and everyone else has to accept it. I wonder how open minded this guy would be if a flamboyant, openly gay person strutted around in front of him dressed in all rainbow colors, making out with his or her partner, and demanding that it is their right and that every one else has to accept it. Yes both the 2nd Amendment activist and the gay activist are both technically right, but shouldn't they both have enough respect for each other to stay out of each others' way?

    These AR toting wackos make me embarrassed to be a gun owner and they are a very big reason why I prefer to conceal carry as opposed to open carry. I don't want to be associated with them.
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    In MO, we are both. In the small towns and country I open carry sometimes, but the bigger cities and counties frown on it and the cops may even stop you and question you at least that's what I have seen on the news. I mainly CCW because of respect for the over reactive libs, don't want the trouble from the libtards.
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    We had a 19 year old jack ass in San Antone decide to go out walking in town with his AR. Several neighbors called the police, some said he pointed the rifle at them. When the cops showed up, the first cop told him to turn his ass around, take his weapon home and leave it there. The boy decided he wanted to argue his rights instead of following the cop's instructions. Then a police sergeant showed up and asked if the gun was loaded - it was. He told the boy to lay the gun on the ground and step away from it. The boy refused, arguing about his rights. So he was arrested. Texas allows open carry of rifles, San Antonio does not. The state is working to have all municipal laws changed to allign with those of the state. Of course this dillwad, pushed things to the extreme. State law supersedes municipal law, but disobeying a police officer performing his job, pointing a weapon at neighbors and being a PITA gave the cops all the justification they needed to arrest the little POS. San Antonio must be getting more progressive. Twenty years ago they would have shot a clown for holding a loaded weapon and refusing to put it down when directed to do so by the cops. Of course his actions are only going to make it that much harder to line up state legislators to push open carry at the next session.
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    Open carry of a handgun can be done without arousing too much fear and loathing. A small holster on a belt is not very exciting, but these loons who simply must carry their "tacticool" rifles and shotguns around as if that was their EDC drive even gun freaks like me over the edge. Why can't these demonstrators exercise their 2A rights with some discretion, with some sensitivity, with some common sense. The law allows for cars with 74 HP 4 cylinder engines as well as 600 HP V12 engines, but they must be muffled and they both must be driven within socially acceptable limits. I know, driving is a privilege and keeping and bearing arms is a right, but even so, some discretion is called for.
    Open carry in urban settings for handguns only might be a reasonable compromise - and even though I hate that word - it might be the best Texans can hope for at this point.
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    "in your face" type actions..........such OC stunts sort of remind me of westboro baptist church........designed to bring attention while wrapping one's self up in the flag and saying it is constitutional and their "right"...........same book just a different page..........


    OC proponents had best pay attention on the tactics or they may very well find that while they may be "right", they may end up alienating public support by their methods. That means votes, and that means trouble..........
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