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    Default As concealed carriers, how would you respond to these scenarios?

    I've seen these various scenarios play out in videos online, and I wonder how you as a cc holder would respond.

    I live in what's basically a "duty to retreat" state, so these kinda scenarios are of particular interest to me:

    Scenario A -- You're walking with your significant other, maybe holding hands, and two guys are coming the opposite way. One of them makes a point to walk right between you two, so that you have to split up and let him pass. He's just being a bully. You have your piece on you. How do you respond? Do you say something to him & risk starting an altercation that might lead to violence?

    Scenario B -- You're walking with your SO. She's dressed sexy for Halloween. Two dudes take notice and one of them touches her ass. What do you do?

    Scenario C -- You're in a convenience store with other customers and a mugger enters, draws his piece and announces a robbery. He's not only robbing the store, he's also shaking down the customers one by one. Might even take your gun. What do you do?


    For me --

    Scenario A -- I would have to yell something back at the guy who walked between us. I wouldn't approach him, and I would keep walking, but if he approached us I would turn & warn him not to make this violent. (Can't keep walking while keeping an eye on him at the same time.) If he initiated violence, I would use empty-handed skills only enough to buy time to get to my piece. No warnings from that point...

    I know that sounds like getting into an "ego battle", but some things you just can't let slide...

    Scenario B -- I would say something to the guy, then call the cops. That's sexual assault he did, so I'd make sure the guy gets a deserved rap as a sex offender. I'd follow the guys only closely enough to know where they are, so that the cops can apprehend them. If they got violent, I would use empty-handed skills only enough to buy time to get my piece. No warnings from that point...

    Scenario C -- The mugger would have himself a new gun (mine). I wouldn't draw on a drawn gun and risk putting innocents in the middle of a shootout.

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    Nothing
    Kick his ass
    Probably nothing best to let them have what is in the register and leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabusa View Post
    Nothing
    Kick his ass
    Probably nothing best to let them have what is in the register and leave.

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    Sensible responses. But #2 -- you would initiate the fight while carrying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigPicture View Post
    Sensible responses. But #2 -- you would initiate the fight while carrying?
    Absolutely. No one touches my wife like that and walks away unscathed.

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    A) Probably let it go, as frustrating as it is, his own inadequacies that he is compensating for are likely far more painful than any humiliation I can inflict.

    B) Give him a good arse-chewing, but resort to physical violence only if legitimately necessary. Probably no need to get the police involved unless things escalate.

    C) This seems like a pretty clear cut self-defense scenario to me. Military training dictate the use of minimum force necessary to defuse the situation and neutralize the threat. If I draw my gun and the assailant flees, then the threat is no more, but if said individual turns their weapon on me, then, as the saying goes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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    I do not care to respond to cookie cutter scenarios. If I or my beloved are assaulted I will take necessary and appropriate actions to stop the perpetrator(s). If a store is robbed (armed robbery) my actions, if any, will be driven by the situation. It is easy to say that we would not risk drawing (armed response) because of the armed robber or because innocents might be hurt, but situations can go south in a hurry and drawing/shooting might be the only means to stop further bloodshed. Sometimes you might have to do the right thing regardless of possible consequences. The day I let possible prosecution stop me from saving another or interceding to stop violence is the day I stopped being a real man. But if there is no violence, do not start it!
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    A). Move along, nothing to see here.

    B). Call 911 and report a sexual assault.

    C). Defend myself and others as my CC allows me to do
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    What you typed out will have way to many open ends, very low information on the people, and lots LOTS of what ifs. No one can say with 100% certainity with what they will do in your fantasy senairos. Only the people in real time, place, day / night would know what they're experiencing and how to act in response. Everyone is different and so would be the people in your stories - guy walking in-between, the $%$ toucher, and the mugger. Though I will say calling the cops on some passer by touching your girl and telling them to arrest the person for rape? You'll be extremely lucky if them come out and if you tell them you're following him there good indication they will tell you to stop. Yet you might get arrested for stalking, assault, you "went looking" for the fight when some guy touched your girls $%$# Guess you forgot the run away law in your state. Possibly you might have jealousy and or anger management issues and they would question you … and how old are you, 15 / 17? "...empty hand skills..."
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    I feel it's good to review as many scenarios that you can imagine. Nothing like making a good decision in the comfort of your favorite chair. Having the benefit of discussing it with others and having minutes, hours or even days to arrive at the best answer. It gives you something to mentally train with because in real life you may have to make life and death decisions in fractions of a second and the wrong choice may end your life or have lifelong consequences sitting in a jail cell. It's natural to make emotional reactions but many cannot be justified in a court of law.

    Your first two scenarios evoke an emotional response but deadly force is certainly not authorized. You need to plan for that so you don't react inappropriately.

    You just bought your fiancé a $5,000.00 diamond ring and you are showing it to her then a guy much faster than you comes by grabs it and runs...
    Your initial reaction and instinct may be to stop him before he gets away. How? Pull your gun and shoot him.
    Wrong answer. -- Decision time 0.50 to 1.75 seconds -- Time to live with your wrong decision possibly the rest of your life.

    Your last one could get touchy as It's better to give up your cash and property and be on your way unharmed albeit pissed off. The catch is you need to make a reasonable guess as to what his intentions are. Is he going to hurt or kill anyone? I will probably never try to outdraw someone. I may draw on someone who already has a gun out. I would have to demonstrate techniques I may use. I would only do this if I made a determination that he may hurt someone especially a loved one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixitfred View Post
    I feel it's good to review as many scenarios that you can imagine. Nothing like making a good decision in the comfort of your favorite chair. Having the benefit of discussing it with others and having minutes, hours or even days to arrive at the best answer. It gives you something to mentally train with because in real life you may have to make life and death decisions in fractions of a second and the wrong choice may end your life or have lifelong consequences sitting in a jail cell. It's natural to make emotional reactions but many cannot be justified in a court of law.
    Not looking to change peoples ideas just giving good points on these what ifs scenarios, which we see from time to time. I'm not big on what if scenarios. For one reason, when will the what ifs stop for each scenario? Way to many variables though I will somewhat side with thinking on how to react though its only one reaction out of thousands n possibly hundreds of thousands more. One goes crazy with thinking of each possible scenario. Even police are not 100% trained for each individual encounter they meet, though they have training.

    There's a difference in being prepared to react and fantasy what if scenarios. Arm chair talking will do nothing in the actual event of something happening, its just talk with no physical encounter n emotions flaring and adrenaline racing. If someone needs to react to a real situation, training will get this done. Even then training wont even get you 100% prepared for everything, though it will for most. Taking classes in your state firearm and self defense laws is a huge benefit. Taking an accredited firearm self defense training course is snother very good class to take and imo a must. This will not only teach you proper use of surroundings and shooting techniques n skill settings, it will get you knowing your firearm.

    I will even include taking a accredited class on firearm retention, because when you're using "empty hand skills" its important to keep the other guys hands off your holstered firearm if he feels or sees it on you. Now, if one does not want to take a firearm retention class then learning Krav Maga would be best. Out of all the martial arts and self defense systems I took Krav was best. Why? This is for another thread. Though all the training one gets it will do nothing if one does not even venture far from his couch, and just post what if scenarios. Going out and interacting with people, observing / observing body posture - how they walk, tone of voice - clothing etc, watching / watching facial expressions - eyes - fidgety nervousness agitated etc, will help.
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