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    in the vast majority of leo encounters, concealment on approach and using cover as it is warranted is drummed into the training.....i have not witnessed charging into gunfire on an armed subject.....but more the case of immediate response to an encounter at close range.......car length distance or less.

    tactical withdraws are a fact of life as the situtation calls for it....usually to regroup for the tac team and the negotiator....followed by hours of waiting.....been there and done that.....on rare occasion, it ends badly.

    these available options are why the overwhelming vast majority of officers have never fired a gun in the line of duty nor taken a life......less it be up close and personal...and not time to do anything else but shoot and move...

    freezing up does happen.......as we all know about the Florida deputy at the school........and officers caught flat-footed by suprise..........usually followed by a career change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by up2it View Post
    I've been cut/shot/beaten/stomped/kicked back when I was young and dumb.
    Wow. That's a lot of violence. I guess if I experienced that kind of violence and worked/lived in that kind of environment I'd have a different outlook.

    Personally, I haven't had a fight since junior high school (though I've been tested enough).

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    Okay -- I understand and appreciate all your perspectives.

    But under what specific circumstances is your gun coming out?

    That's kinda what I'm looking for, a specific scenario in which you envision the tool / training / expense might be of use.

    Personally, I have a hard time picturing one -- especially since it makes so little sense to draw on a drawn gun.

    Btw, it may sound like I'm talking myself out of getting the permit, but believe me, I'm going to get it anyway. Still probably won't carry much though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigPicture View Post
    Wow. That's a lot of violence. I guess if I experienced that kind of violence and worked/lived in that kind of environment I'd have a different outlook.

    Personally, I haven't had a fight since junior high school (though I've been tested enough).
    Hard miles and being young and dumb thinking that no one could beat me is what has made me old before my time and can't do those things anymore, so I protect myself any way I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigPicture View Post
    Okay -- I understand and appreciate all your perspectives.

    But under what specific circumstances is your gun coming out?

    That's kinda what I'm looking for, a specific scenario in which you envision the tool / training / expense might be of use.

    Personally, I have a hard time picturing one -- especially since it makes so little sense to draw on a drawn gun.

    Btw, it may sound like I'm talking myself out of getting the permit, but believe me, I'm going to get it anyway. Still probably won't carry much though.
    Look up this guy-- Jason Hanson--Spy Briefing--maybe you can find your answer there.
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    The day someone shoves a gun in your face and demands all your money and another guy who is nearby carrying and confronts him will help you make up your mind, did for me.
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    First, it's good that you're putting this level of though into this, carrying, and self defense in general, is not to be taken lightly. If done right, it can save a life (or lives, as the case may be), but if done wrong, it can put yourself or others at risk.

    So, why carry? For the same reason as having car insurance: you don't have it because you know you'll need it, you have it because it greatly increases the likelihood of a positive outcome if you need it. In short, I prefer to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst, it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it, and so on.

    Now, how people respond under pressure varies, most people think of flight or flight, but they fail to consider the third possibility: freeze. Nobody (and I mean nobody) knows how they will respond to the level of stress that comes from such scenarios until they are in that situation. All we can really do until then is train for it and develope muscle memory, if your gun arm already knows what to do, then you will have less to think about and will (hopefully) be less likely to freeze up in a bad situation.
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    But under what specific circumstances is your gun coming out?
    again....the "what if" factors will effect people differently and generate a different response.....

    drop yourself in the middle of this cafeteria with your family. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    this event in itself was one of the driving forces for concealed carry to become law in Texas.

    other less notorious incidents have happened as well across this Nation......the publicity varies......but drop yourself in the middle of this specific card shop in this mall.....in this case, a passive response by shoppers got people killed.... [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    how about watching a movie.......and say your are in row No. 3 as in very close when this even unfolds in front of you
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    how would your response be different if you was in row No. 40? as compared to row No. 3? This is the variable of location, lighting, numbers of people between you and the nut case, dealing with the panic of the herd, escape options, hide options, etc, etc........in a dark crowded movie theatre........

    the one thing for certain after such events......gun sales increase simply because of two things....
    1. some folks think carrying a gun gives them options and a chance...its a wake-up call
    2. the increased calls for gun control sparks a backlash from folks who do not want the govt and politics to limit their options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhills View Post
    The day someone shoves a gun in your face and demands all your money and another guy who is nearby carrying and confronts him will help you make up your mind, did for me.
    I dunno. I'm not sure that when a bad guy has a gun in someone's face is the time to "confront" him.

    Even if you plan to resist, you "wait your turn".

    At the end of the day, money can be replaced. That guy who "confronted" the bad guy while he had a gun "in your face" did you no favors. I think you're lucky it turned out as well as it did.
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    "- In the case of a robbery, the bad guy is likely to also have a gun. It makes no sense to draw on a drawn gun... And of course you don't want to risk a shootout over stuff that's replaceable (valuables or money)... so compliance is the most sensible course of action ... so having a gun does you no good (and just gets it taken)."


    Go to youtube and watch a bunch of self defense video's(of actually robberies). You will see many times they don't have guns, sometime they have other weapons or just pretend they have one or if they do they aren't loaded/chambered and many are piss poor shots because they don't go to the range and practice. Obviously if someone has a gun right to your head it will be different but that;s where situational awareness comes into play. Pay attention to what's going on around you, people who might be following or targeting you etc and be ready beforehand. In other words keep your face out of your phone and try not to be preoccupied with other things. Also don't just think that if you hand over your phone, wallet and watch that you'll be fine, many criminals will kill you after they get what they want, especially 3 strike felons. Dead people can't ID suspects. I've seen some videos where people will hand over their stuff which preoccupies the criminal for a second giving them enough time to draw and shoots while their hands are full and they are looking at the loot. Deputy brought up a great point too, no one knows ow they will react in a robbery situation, even trained people can freeze and sometimes people with no training just get pissed off and come out on top. Of course if you don't carry you'll never know......

    This guy has a ton of good videos.

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