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    Default 1911 .22 Comparison.

    As promised, here is a comparison of .22 LR pistols that are clones of actual .45 caliber semi auto pistols.

    For this test I chose two 1911 style pistols and a Glock style pistol.


    All trigger pull measurements are an average of 5 pulls tested on a Lyman Electronic trigger pull gauge with new fresh batteries. The weights were taken on a Hanson Hanging Balance Scale with the scale zero checked before each gun weighed.

    The guns are manufactured by Chiappa (an Italian Company) in Dayton, Ohio, GSG (German Sport Guns) in Ense-Hoingen, Germany, and ISSC in Austria with offices (Austrian Sporting Arms) in Ware, Massachusetts. The Chiappa and GSG guns are 1911 clones and the ISSC is a Glock clone.

    All three of the pistols tested should, according to the manufacturers, use high velocity ammunition for best operation. I used ammunition from CCI, Wolf, Remington, Winchester, and Fiocchi with velocitys ranging from under 1000 FPS to over 1600 FPS and all three pistols ran fine with all of it.


    I already owned the Chiappa and ISSC guns but I did not have the GSG pistol. I want to thank Vic at Florida Ammo Traders in Tampa for making a GSG 1911 AD-OPS available to me for the purpose of this test.

    The first pistol to be tested was the Chiappa 1911-22. The pistol weighes 34 ounces, has a 5" barrel, and has a trigger pull of 8 lbs 14 ounces. There was very little pre-travel and while heavy, the trigger was smooth and crisp with no dragging or jerkiness.

    Chiappa is an Italian company that has established a manufacturing facility in Ohio for production and service of their guns sold in the United States. Chiappa also manufactures the Rhino .357 magnum.

    I checked each gun's price by comparing at least 10 on line distributors in a Google price search for each gun.

    The Chiappa can be found with a price spread between $170 and $325. This was the least expensive of the pistols tested. Extra magazines are between $11 and $20 each.

    The Chiappa comes in a hard plastic padded box and includes one 10 round magazine.

    This gun is manufactured from a type of alloy metal proprietary to Chiappa. It is called Chiappalloy. By using a magnet I found that the only steel parts are the ejector, screws, firing pin, barrel liner, and springs.

    The grips are very nicely laser cut walnut.

    Unlike a real Browning design 1911 the Chiappa employs a rigid barrel/frame.

    This is not a small handgun. It feels just like a .45 1911 from the weight to the way the grip fills the hand. I have large hands and the grip fits nicely while at the same time the grip is not fat.

    My gun shot about 7 inches low and 3 inches left out of the box at 15 yards. Group size was 2 to 3 inches (5 shot group). The rear sight is drift adjustable for windage in a dovetail with a tiny screw to lock the sight from moving. There is no elevation adjustment other than filing the front sight blade.

    The magazine is all plastic (polymer) with a steel spring and holds 10 rounds. The gun has a thumb safety and a keyed trigger lock.

    Actually shooting the gun was a disappointment. The gun would not get through a magazine without at least 2 or 3 failures to feed. I really believe the reason for this is the magazine. Sometimes the next round would hang and not come to the top or the bullet would point down instead of up when at the top of the magazine. I tried loading less rounds into the mag but it did not help the problem.

    I know someone will suggest shooting more to break the gun in but I have more than 500 rounds through the gun and I believe if the gun was going to break in it would be done by now.

    I can not truthfully endorse the Chiappa 1911-22 to anyone until I hear from Chiappa on what I believe is a magazine problem...

    The second gun in my test was the ISSC M-2 made in Austria. The gun shows it's Austrian roots in it's Glock clone appearance. The only thing that suggests it is not a Glock is the thumb decocker/safety.

    This gun was the lightest tested, weighing only 24 ounces. It has a 4 and 1/8 inch barrel and a trigger pull of 5 lbs and 7 ounces.

    The trigger pull is long and gets gritty just before let off. This is not a problem on a plinker but it does affect group size.

    The gun comes with two 10 round magazines and 3 different height front sight blades. The rear sight is locked in a dovetail with a screw accesable from the rear just above the firing pin. It is also completely screw adjustable for windage with a very easily seen white outline sight blade. The front sight blade features a white dot.

    Cost of the ISSC can run from $296 up to $$360. Spare magazines cost between $25 and $30.

    My gun shot about 4 inches high and 2 inches left out of the box. The front sight blade was easily changed and with the windage adjustment on the rear sight I was able to quickly dial it in to where I wanted it. I could shoot consistant 5 shot groups into 2 inches at 15 yards.

    The magnet test comfirms that the frame and some small parts are polymer, the slide is an alloy, and the barrel, hammer, safety, trigger, and slide release are made from steel. The magazine and spring are steel with the follower and floor plate made from polymer.

    When I first started shooting the gun it left something to be desired.... It would give me a failure to load at least once or twice in 20 rounds. I suspected it was a magazine problem. The magazines are some type of metal that is mildly attractive to a magnet.

    I now have about 500 rounds through the gun (mostly CCI Blazers and Stingers) and it is fast becoming a fun gun to shoot. It will make a great little plinker and range gun but I can not recommend it as a plate gun yet. I still get maybe one failure to feed in 2 or 3 magazines and if it happens in a plate shoot it can cost you a lot of time.

    Would I recommend the ISSC M-22 to someone else? If you are looking for a little gun with a huge cool factor (everyone at the range notices it and I dont know how many times I have been told "I didn't know Glock made a .22!") for fun plinking, yes, I would. It will be a fearless Coke can killer and paper hole puncher. I can even see taking squirrels with the gun if one practices with it. I believe the few failures to feed I get once in awhile will stop with more range time.

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    The last, but not least, gun in my test is the GSG 1911 AD-OPS. This is the deluxe model which includes a removable lower rail and a fake screw on suppressor. All GSG 1911's have a threaded barrel.

    This is the closest thing I have seen in a 1911 style .22 to a real 1911 .45. In fact, I have been told and found in my research that about 75% of the parts in the gun are interchangeable with a regular 1911.


    The gun weighes 34 ounces with a 5 and 1/8th inch threaded barrel. Trigger pull was 5 lbs and 4 ounces and it is very nice. Short pretravel, smooth, and a crisp let off makes this the best trigger of the guns I tested.

    The gun costs between $325 and $375. Spare magazines are between $30 and $35 each.

    GSG ships the gun with 2 10 round magazines and they are stout. They are made of metal and very well made.

    The slide, small parts (mag release, sliderelease, thumb safety, grip safety, and sights) and frame are an alloy material while the barrel, hammer, barrel screws, springs, and ejector are made from steel.

    The sights consist of a front dovetail sight blade and a dovetailed rear sight. The sights are of the three dot configuration. The rear sight is drift adjustable for windage with a locking screw and GSG includes 3 different height front blades for adjusting elevation. At 15 yards I was able to shoot 1 inch 5 shot groups off a rest all day.

    As with the Chiappa, the GSG feels like a US Army issue 1911 in your hand.

    It has a ambidextrous thumb safety, a grip safety, a magazine safety, and a drop safety.

    As far as shooting performance I can't tell you about any problems the gun had because there weren't any. I put about 350 rounds through the gun and it ate every kind of ammunition I could find, had absolutely zero failures to do anything, and was so much fun I was really disappointed to have to leave the range.

    This pistol will fit any need you may have for a .22 semi auto pistol. It will plink with the best of them, kill Coke cans by the dump truck load, take squirrels and bunnies all day long, and with a handful of spare magazines will keep up with anybody at your local plate shoot.

    From my testing I will absolutely recommend this gun to anyone looking for a good .22 semi auto pistol. I don't have one of my own yet but I will have very shortly!

    Finally, may I say this.... these results and recommendations are mine which I gathered from my own testing. As with everything else on the Internet please remember YMMV.

    Don


    Here is a picture of the GSG 1911.....




    This is the Chiappa 1911 - 22....




    The ISSC M-22....




    Clockwise from left to right, The GSG, The Chiappa, and the ISSC....



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    The GSG 1911 .22 is a fine handgun. I have put 3,000 rounds thru the one I own. The pistol shoots the Federal Bulk better than other bulk ammo. The buffer bushing is still perfect after 3,000 rounds. These buffer washers can be bought at Home Depot. The gun was shipped with one magazine and one extra washer. I bought 2 extra magazines for $29.00 each. Some of these mags. are stamped SIG Saur also some of the GSG 1911s are stamped SIG Saur. I can understand the SIG Musquito is a less than a good handgun. I would not buy another Ciappa 1911 I did not find it to be what I wanted in a .22. The common problem with the GSG1911 is the spring guide breaking. May GSG spring guide snapped at 1,004 rounds. This is a common GSG failure. I drilled the bushing out replaced the rod with epoxy glue and its holding after 2,000 rounds.I plan to replace the alloy rod guide with a full length steel spring guide. GSG is aware of the problem I hope they address it. The GSG 1911 is a fine choice for any one wanting a 1911 style .22. The Colt Umerex is one I have not been able to check out,

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    great report - thanks - would love to have a GSG
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    I love that GSG. I like these reports even more though! LOL.

    I bet that GSG would be a great thing for Lil W to shoot while I am running one of my 45 caliber 1911s.
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    I might have to get one of them gsg 1911s! I only take out my kimber every now and then, but I would take that out to shoot it much more often.
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    Cabela's will have them on sale for $389.00 this week with extra mag and holster. This is the GSG marked Sig Saur.

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    That should read $369.00.

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    The only difference I can find is the price.... the Sig is about $75 higher and the only model offered by Sig is the bare bones basic.

    I don't know if the Sig version has a threaded barrel but I don't see any mention of it on the Sig site.

    The Sig doesn't offer the lower rail option either.

    For what the basic Sig costs you can buy the GSG with all the bells and whistles and have money left over for a few boxes of ammunition.

    I would guess performance is the same for both guns.

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    Great review! I am partial to commander sized 1911's and remember reading about one that was the same size as the commander can anyone tell me who makes it and anything about it? I'd also like to some company make a "long slide" in 22mag.

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