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Thread: Picking a rifle. 22-250, .243, .270. Hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcadet1992 View Post
    your walmart has 243 at $5 a box? the cheap stuff at mine is marked at $15 the reason i don't shoot 243 a lot
    It's not $5.00 a box, it is $5.00 a box MORE. The 22-250 and .243 is about the same price. The .270 was the cheaper of the boxes. It may be the other way around next week tho.

    I wish I knew someone local that has a .270. I'd like to shoot it just once to check out the kick it has. I would prefer one that is the same as the one I'm looking at buying.

    I do like that stainless steel one tho. I just got to wait on more info I guess. It's a lot of money to me and I don't want to spend it on something I can't use. I may have to get the .243 or some other model. I still need some more info but I'm working on it.

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    Felt recoil is a personal thing. Having said that, I own a lightweight Savage .270 that is not fun to shoot. My Ruger 77 in the same caliber is tame but a much heavier firearm. Also the weight of your bullets will have some effect. Lots of factors here. I'm surprized that the 7mm was knocking people head over heels and out of trees. Were you meaning 7mm Rem Mag? It's not a Walmart package gun (not that there's anything wrong with them) but if you can locate a 6.5mm you might be surprized by it. The 6.5 swede (6.5 x 55) or some of the other 6.5 will get the job done. Don't be in a hurry, do your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seg-saege View Post
    Felt recoil is a personal thing. Having said that, I own a lightweight Savage .270 that is not fun to shoot. My Ruger 77 in the same caliber is tame but a much heavier firearm. Also the weight of your bullets will have some effect. Lots of factors here. I'm surprized that the 7mm was knocking people head over heels and out of trees. Were you meaning 7mm Rem Mag? It's not a Walmart package gun (not that there's anything wrong with them) but if you can locate a 6.5mm you might be surprized by it. The 6.5 swede (6.5 x 55) or some of the other 6.5 will get the job done. Don't be in a hurry, do your research.
    I can't recall the exact details of the 7mm but nobody shot it more than a few times. The description you gave with Magnum does rig a bell tho. I don't think it was a Remington brand but it could have been. It was used when my Dad got it so no idea how old it was. I ended up taking it apart after my Dad died. I can't even find it right now. I think it may be in a closet somewhere but I haven't even seen it in many years. I would guess at least 20 years or so. It sure was mean tho.

    My biggest thing is being able to afford the gun to begin with. I suffered from jaw drop when I saw prices at the gun dealer. I figure they are better guns but I just can not afford to pay close to or over $1,000 for a gun. I was hoping to find a really nice used gun to buy but most of theirs are new guns or used .22 rim fire types.

    I wish Walmart had prices and a compare feature on their site. That would help a lot. It's almost like Walmart doesn't want to sell guns or something. I know they don't sell handguns either. Add in that Google is against guns which means froogle doesn't work and we are just in sad shape nowadays.

    I got to see if they do checks before a gun can be sold too. I'm clean and all but still need to find out.

    Keep these tips coming folks. I have to spend wisely since I can only do this once.


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    For what its worth, I am considered to be 160% disabled by the Veterans Administration. I am a retired gunsmith. Until the middle of May, this year, I worked as a gunstore gunsmith here in Sacramento just to keep busy.

    I recommend you take a long, hard look at the Stevens Model 200 chambered in .223 Remington. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] I realize that the MSRP is $420.00. This is a ridiculous amount. They can be found, brand new, for $300.00. This rifle is the old Savage Model 10 before the advent of their new acu-trigger. The method Savage/Stevens uses to attach the barrel to the receiver (a barrel nut) makes their center fire rifles inherently the most accurate production rifles (out of the box) available today. I believe it is the best blast for the buck available for the past 5 or 7 years. You can read about this rifle here: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    I say .223 Remington instead of .243 Winchester because of your experience shooting and your claimed accuracy. PLUS, many more .223 rounds can be purchaed than .243 for a given amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    For what its worth, I am considered to be 160% disabled by the Veterans Administration. I am a retired gunsmith. Until the middle of May, this year, I worked as a gunstore gunsmith here in Sacramento just to keep busy.

    I recommend you take a long, hard look at the Stevens Model 200 chambered in .223 Remington. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] I realize that the MSRP is $420.00. This is a ridiculous amount. They can be found, brand new, for $300.00. This rifle is the old Savage Model 10 before the advent of their new acu-trigger. The method Savage/Stevens uses to attach the barrel to the receiver (a barrel nut) makes their center fire rifles inherently the most accurate production rifles (out of the box) available today. I believe it is the best blast for the buck available for the past 5 or 7 years. You can read about this rifle here: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    I say .223 Remington instead of .243 Winchester because of your experience shooting and your claimed accuracy. PLUS, many more .223 rounds can be purchaed than .243 for a given amount of money.
    I have not looked at the guns as much as I have looked at the bullets. One thing I have noticed, the bullets are pretty much the same size, diameter wise. The difference between a .22 and a .270 is not really much. The size of the shell and the amount of powder is different tho. As far as killing something, I think a 22-250 would kill a deer as good as a .270 would. I do want one that is accurate tho. My eyes are not getting any better as I age. I was thinking that the .270 would be more accurate since it has more powder and I would think the bullet would go much faster. Right? I need to talk to a game warden and find out for sure about what calibers are legal and all in this state. What they have on their website just sort of confuses me.

    Gunsmith huh. Question about the firing pin on my old .22 rifle. Can a firing pin wear out and cause it not to fire like it should? When I look at the shell after a misfire, it just barely, I mean BARELY, has a mark on the rim of the shell. I have to have my glasses on and a good magnifying glass to see it. I'm not sure it would show up in a picture if I took one, unless I blew the picture up or something. It does fire every once in a while but I would say it only fires about 10 or 20% of the time. I took the gun apart and cleaned it good. The way it is built, I can't really see anything else that could cause this but the firing pin. It is kind of a thin piece of metal. I'm not sure how hard that metal is tho. It's a Marlin model 60 and I think it is the old style rifle.

    I hear you on being disabled. I have severe psoriasis and lots of complications from it. I have enough psoriasis alone to disable 4 or 5 people. My Doctor wants me to take treatments again but every time they mess with it, it gets worse. While he wants to help, he also worries that it will make me worse so he doesn't push it or anything. He just offers and sees the look on my face. Those meds have got to where they just plain scare me. The Doctors just scratch their heads and look confused. lol


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    From what you are saying, i would definately not recomend the 270 especially in a light weight budget rifle......most likely you will find it a miserable experience.

    Here is some information about recoil with estimated recoil energies. Comparisons are hard as rifle weights vary as well as various loads.....but it is a general indicator of things.... [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    While i am not a gun smith.......and i know you said you cleaned the rimfire, i must ask.......did you clean the breach area around the barrel especially the extractor grove slot by the chamber. I have seen some .22 rimfires so caked up with fouling in that area that it causes light strikes as you have mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deputy View Post
    From what you are saying, i would definately not recomend the 270 especially in a light weight budget rifle......most likely you will find it a miserable experience.

    Here is some information about recoil with estimated recoil energies. Comparisons are hard as rifle weights vary as well as various loads.....but it is a general indicator of things.... [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    While i am not a gun smith.......and i know you said you cleaned the rimfire, i must ask.......did you clean the breach area around the barrel especially the extractor grove slot by the chamber. I have seen some .22 rimfires so caked up with fouling in that area that it causes light strikes as you have mentioned.
    Nice chart. Since I have shot a 30-30 a good bit in the past and it was OK for a few shots anyway, I used that as something to compare too. It seems by that chart that the .270 would have more kick than the 30-30 does. Am I reading that correctly? I also have a 12 gauge shotgun but I'm not sure you can really compare a rifle and a shotgun since they are different. I can handle the shotgun I guess because it is a slower bullet hence a slower kick. A rifle is faster so a faster kick. Of course, I'm keeping in mind that I will likely only shoot once when hunting. I only plan to shoot multiple times when setting the scope and such. Sort of trying to balance this scope setting and hunting requirements here. It's a delicate operation. lol

    I also found this:

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    What I like about this list is that it appears to be in order of caliber. Anyway, it appears the smallest they recommend is a .243. Thing is, I think everyone here is taking into account that I do head shots and I bet the folks making that list are trying to shoot the heart. My target may be harder to hit since it is smaller but if I hit it, it is dead where it stands. If they are doing heart shots, then they have to have a bullet that does more damage so that the deer dies without running off. So, it appears that you guys are taking into account not only what I am shooting but HOW I shoot too.

    Oh, I found this last night:

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    There are no firearm, caliber, or magazine capacity restrictions when deer hunting on private land in Mississippi.
    So, since I hunt on my own private land, there are no caliber restrictions. Yeppie !! Now to figure out which caliber I want to buy. :/ Does this mean that the .22 rim fire is legal too?

    I may do some more cleaning on that rifle. Are you talking about where the shell goes into the barrel? If I look at the hole where the shell goes in, I see notches on the left and right for what I call the fingers, some may call them ejectors, to grab the spent shell and pull it out. I did clean that area but I didn't have a brush to really get down in there. I may take it apart and work on that some more. I need a brass bristle brush that is made coming out the end instead of the sides to really get down in there. I have not had any luck with that yet tho. May have to use a tooth brush or something.

    I did find out they do background checks on rifles and shotguns too. So, I guess I need to go fill out the papers so they can get that done first. It didn't say if it was instant or takes a day or so.

    You guys keep these ideas coming.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek View Post
    Gunsmith huh. Question about the firing pin on my old .22 rifle. Can a firing pin wear out and cause it not to fire like it should? When I look at the shell after a misfire, it just barely, I mean BARELY, has a mark on the rim of the shell. I have to have my glasses on and a good magnifying glass to see it. I'm not sure it would show up in a picture if I took one, unless I blew the picture up or something. It does fire every once in a while but I would say it only fires about 10 or 20% of the time. I took the gun apart and cleaned it good. The way it is built, I can't really see anything else that could cause this but the firing pin. It is kind of a thin piece of metal. I'm not sure how hard that metal is tho. It's a Marlin model 60 and I think it is the old style rifle.

    It is the firing pin channel, inside the bolt that needs cleaning. An accumulation of filth in this channel, in which the firing pin rides, will keep the firing pin from striking the rim of a cartridge hard enough to fire the round.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    It is the firing pin channel, inside the bolt that needs cleaning. An accumulation of filth in this channel, in which the firing pin rides, will keep the firing pin from striking the rim of a cartridge hard enough to fire the round.


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    Ahhh, I cleaned that to. It is exposed on the bottom and I really sprayed the cleaner up in it and blew it out with air good. I'm pretty sure it is clean but may just pull the pin out and clean it. It's broke already so nothing to loose. Mine looks like the firing pin in the main image, not the one in the box as a kit. I know when I move it with my fingers, it is really smooth. May give that a third cleaning tho. My pin looks like the part number 444000D which it says is a new style. Anyway, it is held in by a little pin. I guess I would just push it out and then the firing pin comes out. Maybe there is something in there that can't get out. I'll work on that later. Thanks much for the info.

    To all: I talked to my buddy that is the local hunting guru and gun nut. He said that he would get a gun that is considered primitive. He has a 45-70 but said there are some .35 caliber rifles that qualify too. He said those should fall within my price range too. I'm hoping to keep this below $300.00 if I can. I could go a little bit over but want to keep it below that if I can. Something I learned a long time ago, sometimes you can spend a extra $20 for something and save hundreds over time. Sort of like cars. If you buy a junky car, it will likely break more often and you will pay for that cheap price on the front end. Sort of have to balance all this out.

    Although I like bolt action rifles, I may go with this primitive route. It will give me a MUCH longer hunting season for sure.

    Thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dalek View Post
    It's not $5.00 a box, it is $5.00 a box MORE. The 22-250 and .243 is about the same price. The .270 was the cheaper of the boxes. It may be the other way around next week tho.

    I wish I knew someone local that has a .270. I'd like to shoot it just once to check out the kick it has. I would prefer one that is the same as the one I'm looking at buying.

    I do like that stainless steel one tho. I just got to wait on more info I guess. It's a lot of money to me and I don't want to spend it on something I can't use. I may have to get the .243 or some other model. I still need some more info but I'm working on it.

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