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    Hey guys can someone elaborate the differences from the M1A, and the M1A1. And I believe the M14 was the "military" version of the M1A as it was full auto no?

    A fellow once told me the M14/M1A was unmatched in accuracy for mid size/caliber rifles. Far better than that of the AR/M16. Also, the manual's first pages quoting, "congratulations for purchasing the finest firearm the human mind can conceive. Any truth to this as well?

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    M1A1


    M1A
    Civilian version of the M14

    "congratulations for purchasing the finest firearm the human mind can conceive. Any truth to this as well?
    Everyone has their opinion, though the M1A is one fine rifle.
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    Mikoyan thought the MIG 15 was the best fighter jet that would ever be made, and America thought the same about the F86 Sabre Jet (that's why they officially called the MIG 15 the Fagot). I agree with that sentiment, but it can not be denied that more capable designs came later. Not better, just more capable. In engineering everything is a tradeoff. The M1 and M14 were heavy and expensive to produce, but they surely were the pinnacle of the gunmaker's art, then and now.
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    I wouldn't say that an M1A is 'far' more accurate. Modern AR's can hold their own inside of 600 yards.

    The M14/M1A is a fine piece of equipment. That being said, it's far more complex and difficult to maintain than an AR, heavier, and has to be modified in order to accept any sort of optics or accessories.

    We still have M14's in service, but now they're sniper rifles. The USMC has the M14 EMR, which is a match grade M14, heavy barrel, and aftermarket stock that includes 1913 rails along it's entire length. They are also issued to some National Guard and Reserve units in the stock form.

    The matter of it being the finest gun ever made is pure opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert View Post
    We still have M14's in service, but now they're sniper rifles. The USMC has the M14 EMR, which is a match grade M14, heavy barrel, and aftermarket stock that includes 1913 rails along it's entire length. They are also issued to some National Guard and Reserve units in the stock form.
    Yes, though we are moving away from them for rifles built on the AR platform. We learned in Afghan and Iraq that BGs like to target our STA teams when they are mobile with normal grunts, and are able to do so because their weapons and equipment look different.

    It is always bad to "look" special among a group of normal looking guys.
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    When I said M1A, this is what I meant.



    So I believe that the following is incorrect in this case. Not looking for info on the carbine.

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    M1A1


    M1A
    Civilian version of the M14



    Everyone has their opinion, though the M1A is one fine rifle.

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    That's true. Those are some seriously badass gun's though.

    Do you know if they're pursuing a .308 AR or sticking with 5.56?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocked23 View Post
    When I said M1A, this is what I meant.



    So I believe that the following is incorrect in this case. Not looking for info on the carbine.
    Yeah, I was just clarifying the differences. The only M1A1 I know of is the carbine from WWII.

    DE. I have been out for a while now, so I don't have the skinny on everything that happens anymore. But last I knew they were doing a mix. Kind of fitting it to the mission.

    Though there has been opposition on both sides of the fence. Some guys wanted to be able to have a rifle for this type of mission that fired 5.56, and a rifle for that type of mission that fired 7.62.

    Then there were other guys that said firing two different types of ammo from two different but similar rifles could confuse shooters when it came to their externals.

    Then there was another type of guy that wanted them to all carry 5.56 because of the advantages in being able to get ammo from everyone. Then there were the hardliners that want everyone in the world to carry 7.62.

    last I heard they are looking at the MK-11 for most everything.

    I personally am a big fan of bolt actions for STA, but a shooter carrying a semi-automatic rifle eliminates the need for either the shooter to carry three firearms, or the need of the third or fourth guy for some missions.
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    Also another BA gun. Thanks for the info.
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    So the M14 being military issue, was full auto ( or had the option rather ) ?

    And all versions of the M1 308 has the option for gas operation adjustment correct? This allows shooters to choose from semi-auto to a bolt action type style of shooting.

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