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Thread: Ruger vs. Smith & Wesson

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    i have no problem when it comes to the cast vs forged argument.........i do have a problem with MIM (metal injection molding) parts but it is an argument i am steadily losing as the years pass....

    pure prejudice on my part.....nowadays, it is either accept it, do without, or buy used........and i do want a new gun every once in a while so i guess i must tolerate MIM parts. Tolerance is not acceptance.

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    OK, this has driven me crazy. SO, I went on the Internet to do some real research into the forged vs investment cast issue and found the following- it makes no difference. A forged frame may have sharper crisper edges while a casting will generally be smoother and rounder, but both will require machining and finishing before fitting. Both, if properly heat-treated will be strong enough to last generations. Some say the forging is ultimately stronger, but all reloaders know their manuals have loads listed "Ruger only" and Rugers are all investment cast. The military specifies forgings for its rack-grade rifles, but is happy to accept the investment cast 40XB Remington 700 for its sniper rifles. And forgings are made from bar stock or billets. Steel isn't found that way naturally - to get a billet, it has to be - you guesed it -cast. The strength of any forging or casting is determined most by the carbon content -40% is better then 20%- and the nature of the alloy - chrome molybdenum is better than chrome vanadium - you get the idea.

    Just as men have forever stressed and fretted over their endowment, despite the medical and biological facts, we still sense and feel (know) in our heart of hearts, size matters! Forged or Investment cast? LOL - "Do the math."

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    Steel isn't found that way naturally - to get a billet, it has to be - you guesed it -cast.
    If you put it this way, then there really isn't a difference.

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    I'm new around here, and I've been spending some time reading through threads. I recently purchased a S&W Model 686 as my first revolver. I have plenty of previous experience with long guns. hunting and target shooting since I was a kid, but this is my first experience with a revolver. I have yet to shoot it, as I haven't gotten time to get out to the farm since I picked it up a few weeks ago. I have read the comments in this thread about various cartridges and how the S&W and Ruger handle them differently. I got the impression that the conversation was mostly about older, smaller models of revolvers, and not the large frame 686 that I have. My question is, should I be concerned about shooting rounds that are too hot for the gun? I am only planning on shooting manufactured ammunition, I am not loading my own. I just want to be sure I won't be shooting anything that could damage the gun, since this is my first experience with it.

    Thanks for any advice!

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    bigblue_dl -your 686 can safely handle any commercial loading made, and any well-crafted handload up to the maximums shown in any reloading manual.

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    Thanks, that is what I thought, but its better to be safe and ask the question. I appreciate the quick response.

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    A Ruger Redhawk can handle hotter loads and longer bullets than any Smith. If you stick to typical factory ammo it won't matter, but I think Rugers are a better value and much stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Sneaky Steve View Post
    A Ruger Redhawk can handle hotter loads and longer bullets than any Smith. If you stick to typical factory ammo it won't matter, but I think Rugers are a better value and much stronger.
    This is a lot like what I said on the first page of the thread, but I'm not sure that the value would be any better for used Rugers. Smith has a long and loved history and a darn good history of resale values. I'm not arguing about which is better, but just saying that Smith resales are as good or better than any other manufacturer.

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    I think it boils down to preference. I don't like shooting super hot loads in any handgun. I have hunted non dangerous game with my M29. - 265 gr 429421 cast bullet with 20 gr. of 2400 will not hurt a model 29 and, as Elmer Keith proved, is an effective load for the field. I personally like the S&W over the Redhawk. Nothing wrong with Ruger handguns, just don't like the feel.


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    Maybe the Ruger would feel better with different grips. Mine has the factory Hogue finger grip.

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