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    Hello all. New guy here.
    I live in Arkansas. I had an interesting day today. Was in the gun buying mood and went to a gun show a few miles down the road. Found a 1968 Ruger 10/22 Carbine Rifle that I liked and bought it. It was a private sale, so I paid cash and walked out the door. End of story there.
    I decided to go to Walmart to get some items and saw a nice Sig Sauer 522 Rifle and decided to buy. Clerk asked for my driver’s license and then asked if the street address on the license was current. I told him it wasn’t since I had moved from a previous address in Arkansas over a year ago. My license is a 4 year license which does not need renewal until August of 2012, so it still shows the previous street address. Clerk said that was unacceptable, that it had to show my “current” street address. Clerk asked if I had any other form of identification such as military. I served 20 years and am retired military and was happy to oblige, but it doesn’t have any address on it whatsoever or any expiration (it never needs to be renewed), so it was also unacceptable. Clerk asked if I had a car registration that showed my current street address but it was registered using my current P.O. Box address for mailing purposes, since I don’t have a mail box at the house, and the Post Office does not deliver to my house. So the end of this episode was a no sale, simply because my “current street address” does not show on any of my identification cards or car registration.
    This policy seems a little extreme to me. Although an address on a driver’s license may not be current, it does not make the driver’s license invalid; otherwise I wouldn’t be able to drive. People move all the time within the same state. It would be costly to have to go to the DMV every time you moved within the same state to get a new license, just so it could show your current street address.
    Besides that, if I provide valid identification that shows my name and date of birth and license number, a military identification that shows my name and date of birth, is this not enough information for the FBI to do a background check? How would my current street address have any impact on whether I am eligible to purchase a firearm?
    I wonder if any of the dealers at the Gun Show that have to call in a background check, require your “current street address” to show on your license? Don’t know, but they are not Walmart, so the policy may be different.
    I’ll be getting a renewed license soon, and it will show my current street address, and I won’t have any problem after that at Walmart, (or will I?).
    This may be a problem that runs a little deeper than Walmart policy. I’m concerned about how much further this may go in the future.

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    Welcome to our forum.

    Here in CT your drivers license MUST be up to date, if not you may be written a citation. Make sure your DMV laws aren't similiar so you don't get into trouble.

    I do not know what the fireamrs laws are in Arkansas, but it may be a law, not a store policy.
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    Nebraska does not need the current address on a license until renewal. We do have to show a government issued picture ID of some type when buying a gun. As far as the current address on the license, I don't know. But a government picture ID would be an option while you are waiting to renew your drivers license. I don't think they cost that much here.
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    Thanks for the welcome and input.

    In Arkansas, you do not have to renew your license every time you move so that your current street address appears on the license. You simply have to renew your license before it expires.
    Having had a little background in Law Enforcement as well, I know how easy it is to run a name and date of birth through ACIC or NCIC to check criminal history. You don’t need a current street address to do this. You simply need the name and date of birth. A social security number or driver’s license number will help confirm as well.
    Your current street address has nothing to do with finding out if you are a former convicted felon.

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    A Social Security card, alien registration card, or military identification alone does not contain sufficient information to identify a firearms purchaser. However, a purchaser may be identified by any combination of government-issued documents which together establish all of the required information: Name, residence address, date of birth, and photograph of the holder.

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    If you read the back of the form 4473, you'll see that the FFL licensee is responsible for verifying the identity, place of residence,and the age of the buyer. If you fill out the address on the form, and then hand over your driver's license, with a different address on it... well, as an FFL, what would you do?
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    Personally I don't think it is extreme to know where a gun purchasers address is when the forms are being filled out.

    But then again, I guess the fast and furious boys didn't care about adresses either.
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    Appreciate the input.

    Not extreme to provide your street address on forms to fill out. Would have provided that gladly and wanted to. The extreme has to do with denying a gun purchase due to the address provided on the form not matching the address showing on your id.
    Obviously I’m going to abide by Federal guidelines if I’m an FFL, and will very courteously share the bad news with the slightly embarrassed law abiding, valid identification holding, 20 year retired military veteran, former cop of 7 years, that even though his Federal Government has more than enough information about him to run a background check on him for gun purchase eligibility, in this particular case, we cannot even start the process because your valid forms of identification don’t show your current street address.
    A current street address was never a factor in identifying a person in my entire 7 years of being a cop.
    A cop makes a traffic stop. “May I see your driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance please?”
    In my case, the cop will have a driver’s license that is current and valid, with a valid name and date of birth, but a street address that is not current; a valid current and valid vehicle registration that shows the same name, but a P.O. Box in a different city, and proof of insurance that is current and valid with the same P.O. Box as that the vehicle registration shows.
    The cop now wants to check for warrants. He will either give the name and date of birth to the dispatcher or the driver’s license number, or social security number. A current address was never criteria to use for wants and warrants checks.
    He looks like the guy in the license photo. His age seems to match the date of birth on his license. Everything is current and valid, but this can’t be the guy because he’s telling me the street address on his license is not current.
    I don’t agree with the Federal guideline that denied my purchase of a firearm.

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    A current street address was never a factor in identifying a person in my entire 7 years of being a cop.
    Identifying a person to give them a ticket, or just to ID them, does not equate to making sure that person satisfies the residency requirements, needed to purchase a firearm, as required by federal statute.

    I don’t agree with the Federal guideline that denied my purchase of a firearm.
    Neither do most gun-owners.
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    How would a street address on my driver’s license that is not current, violate any residency requirements needed to purchase a firearm?
    Maybe you can share the Federal statute you’re referring to?

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