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    I deeply saddened by the rush to judge cops guilty. It's as though many Americans, and too many of whom I would have expected to at least remain neutral until FACTS are disclosed will jump on liberals' cop-bashing bandwagon. Worse, denying cops the presumption of innocence and due process is as un-American as one could possibly.

    Courts have repeatedly found that armchair quarterbacking of cops' actions is not valid assessment. Courts have found that analysis of any law enforcement action must be assessed through the cop's eyes at the time of the incident along with the cop's training, education, knowledge, experience, and experience. What might seem benign to Joe & Jane Blow might indicate mortal danger to a cop.

    When negative publicity of an agenda-driven media broadcasts anything about a law enforcement action, it is nothing more than opinion. "Journalists" can say anything they choose. It might be a good idea to keep in mind that media is so inherently unreliable that anything broadcast or printed is hearsay and cannot be used in court to prove a darn thing. Cops, on the other hand, are forbidden by their agencies' policies from saying anything about an event under investigation. In fact, every cop: federal, state, local, constable, game warden, any cop commissioned to enforce law knows to not make any statements about the incident until agencies' investigations are competed. Investigations could take days or years depending upon the crime and circumstances. LA County Sheriff's Office has open Natalie Wood's death. The intent of nondisclosure is to assure integrity of investigations. Were cops to talk before investigations were completed, their comments could taint witness statements.

    The media can yap propaganda all day long for as long as it wants, yet FACTS will not be disclosed until the conclusion of agencies' investigations. The wise know to withhold judgment until cops finish their investigations.

    It pissed me off to no end for even friends of mine who know

    While I'm long retired, the last research I've read indicated that the profession with the least percent of malfeasance, misfeasance, nonfeasance, and crimes committed is law enforcement. In CA, it's a felony for a cop to file a knowingly perjured police report. The thin, blue line is thick BS. Cops do not lie for each other. A cop will not risk his career, his freedom, his pension, and his family's lifestyle just to cover for a cop who might have committed a crime or violated department policy. It makes great theater, and it motivates liberals to bash cops, but it's far from truth. Were one to Google, "Lawyer arrested" every day, I'd go with finding another pettifogger behind bars. Judges are just as bad. When they screw up, they'll lie, cheat, and steal to protect their dirtbag homies. Trust me here. I've seen it. And other judges clam up like a dirtbag covering for another.

    I was told from an excellent source that 30% of practitioners within the medical profession illegally use scheduled medicine.

    Cops must complete a rigorous background examination. Backgrounds have two prominent purposes: deny entry to law enforcement to those who shouldn't be cops, and select best possible candidates. It the late 90's, an article in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin indicated that it cost a half-million bucks to put one cop in service. It has to be up to a mil by now. Law enforcement agencies are excellent at getting it right. So when a cop commits a crime, what went wrong? Was there a defect in the backgound process? Maybe. However, a theory that emerged around that late 90's is that backgrounds were not defective. Rather, the stress of law enforcement causes a tiny percent of practitioners to seek help with stress and stress related mental and physical maladies by intentionally committing crimes in order to get caught and, in their minds, rescued from a turbulent sea that will drown them.

    My advice is to avoid rushing to judgments, view media as entertainment, wait until law enforcement agencies' investigations are completed, find out what cop have found to be factual, and then dran a conclusion.

    That's all I got to write 'bout that!
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    Then, there's the flip-side to that coin. Our former Orange County Sheriff, Mike Corona - called "America's Sheriff" - just finished his imprisonment recently while Lee Baca, L.A. County Sheriff, is now on trial.

    And in yesterdays newspaper this story is reported:

    "Federal Judge Orders 6 Indicted Baltimore Police Officers Held Pending Trial"

    BALTIMORE – A federal judge on Thursday ordered that six Baltimore Police officers be held in detention pending their trial on racketeering charges, saying no conditions of release were sufficient to ensure public safety.

    U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephanie Gallagher said the allegations against Detectives Momodu Gondo, Evodio Hendrix, Daniel Hersl, Jemell Rayam, Maurice Ward, and Sgt. Wayne Jenkins, six of seven officers indicted in the alleged scheme Wednesday, suggested “an egregious breach of public trust” and a “flagrant disregard of consequences of their actions.”

    She said the detectives’ extensive law enforcement experience provided them with an “unusual ability to find ways around” potential conditions of their release.
    Her decision came after five of the officers pleaded not guilty to the federal racketeering charges against them, which carry decades of potential prison time. Jenkins did not enter a plea. The seventh officer, Marcus Taylor, has a detention hearing Friday.

    Federal prosecutors alleged the officers robbed Baltimore residents, fabricated court documents and filed fraudulent overtime claims.

    “This is not a case of overzealous policing. These are robberies and extortions,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Leo Wise.

    Appearing at an event Thursday, Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said there would be widespread fallout in the agency as a result of the indictments. He said he has already ordered some plainclothes officers to wear uniforms, and said there would be “a lot of reviews, a lot of investigations and a lot of audits” with regard to overtime pay and other areas of the agency.

    “That scandal, and that’s exactly what it was, has ramifications, and it has ramifications for policies, procedures, protocols. It has ramifications for people who were in leadership positions as well,” Davis said.

    Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby said her office was continuing to review cases brought by the indicted officers. On Wednesday, one case was dropped and prosecutors said three more cases were dropped Thursday.

    “The cases that we can save, that aren’t dependent on just the credibility of these officers, we are going to attempt to salvage,” Mosby said. “For those cases in which it is just going to rely on the credibility of these officers, we don’t have a choice but to get rid of them. It’s something the city has to understand.”

    In U.S. District Court, Wise said witnesses in the case are “terrified” they will face retribution from the officers. He said the officers have shown they are capable of evading supervision by the police department and the U.S. Department of Justice, which was investigating the department during the time of the alleged crimes, and would not think twice about evading whatever conditions are put upon them by pretrial services if they were released.

    Wise said the officers are well trained in “counter law enforcement tactics.”

    He also alleged that other officers in the police department and an assistant state’s attorney in the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office had tipped the officers off to the federal investigation into their actions before the investigation was concluded, suggesting they could have connections in law enforcement they could continue to use inappropriately if they were released before trial.

    Mosby said she was not aware of a claim that a member of her office had tipped the officers to the investigation.

    Attorneys for Hendrix and Ward both questioned their clients’ involvement in the alleged crimes, pointing to places in the indictment where allegations were made about the other five officers committing acts, but not their clients.

    “It’s not enough,” said Paul Enzinna, Ward’s attorney. “You can’t rely on guilt by association to hold Mr. Ward in custody.”
    The attorneys said their clients have never been in trouble before.

    Hendrix’s attorney said his client is a father of five and a Navy veteran who lives in Randallstown.

    Ward’s attorney said his client is a lifelong Baltimore resident with three children.

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    Police, like members in our military, come from within our nations population, and being human there is no shelf-life guarantee that these folks will all behave as we would expect them to. Both are held to high and often rigid standards, as it should be. But given that, in my opinion, we are devolving into a less polite than hoped for society, what exactly are the odds that candidates for either calling will measure up over the long run. It has always depended on the character and self-discipline of the individual.

    Also, given the temperament of the Mooks in our society today and their stupid attitudes that leans toward "free-spirit anarchy", I have often asked myself, "What kind of person would voluntarily opt to become a police officer and have to deal with this irrational segment of our population on a daily basis? What are their actual motives that push them to want to deal with this every day or night? Fortunately, most individuals choose the LEO career for the right and honorable reasons. But always keep in mind, "the flip-side of the coin".
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    Hi stevejet,

    No It's the same side of the coin. In the case you've cited, decisions to try the officers were made after criminal investigations were completed.

    Cops, like all Americans, are presumed innocent.

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    Then you're looking at the wrong coin.

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    JMHO, but the media has an unfair way of portraying a story in the news, and the public

    has an unfair way of deciding guilt or innocence based on what dog food sellers have to

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    there are a lot of good officers.....and a few bad ones........

    i have no problem with the media when they are actually reporting news and facts....including bad officers. I do have a big problem with the media when they leave some facts out and start slant reporting and tend to thrive on stirring things up..........and giving exclusive coverage to the al sharptons and other liberal left mouth pieces of the world who are not present for justice....they are present to preach how wrong the rest of the world is....and the media supports them.

    protests, bull horns, fires, riots, entertainers stepping in and adding their two cents.....now that means more coverage which means more ratings and an attempt to use "social justice".....and many fall for it and the media does promote such.

    but if everything was just Sgt Joe Friday "just the facts ma'am"......then the world would probably be calm, quiet, and rather boring with no gotcha headlines......that means loss of interest and revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonTemplar
    ...Worse, denying cops the presumption of innocence and due process is as un-American as one could possibly....
    My biggest issue is this statement right here. Not only do they carry the burden of proof of innocence but even long after they are cleared of wrong doings the libs and organizations will continue to protest for their termination, losing pay and jail/prison time. This is just wrong.
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    "..........long after they are cleared of wrong doings the libs and organizations will continue to protest for their termination, losing pay and jail/prison time. This is just wrong."

    The Liberals and social anarchists have always been this way. I don't expect them to alter their attitudes or behaviors because to do so would eliminate their reasons for even "being". They are "afflicted" people who are contrarian by nature.
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    stevejet,

    Let's agree to disagree.

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