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    Default Recoil questions about High power Rifle vs Shotgun

    Okay, so off the top of your head what do think has more recoil to your shoulder, a standard 12 gauge shotgun or a standard 30.06? According to the NRA fact book, it's pretty close generally speaking with standard loads from both coming in at about 20 measured pounds of recoil to the shoulder, but the 12 gauge really takes over and ups the stakes when you start upping the loads to 3" mags with more drams bringing some of them up to more than double of what was earlier stated. Bottom line is that they're pretty close with standard loads, but 12 gauge shotguns are more than twice the recoil with the many more variations of hotter magnum loads. Here's some data from the NRA fact manual that you might find interesting:
    30.06 180 grns with 56 grs charge will produce 20 pounds of recoil at the shoulder.
    12 gauge shotgun with a 2&3/4" load with 3 drams will produce 20 pounds rec. to shoulder.
    12 gauge with 3" load with 4 drams produces 55.4 pounds of felt recoil to the shoulder.
    Wow, that's a big difference in shotgun loads. Just thought it was interesting.

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    I wonder if those numbers were with shot loads, because I sure feel a 12 gauge 2 3/4" slug a lot more than I feel a .30-06.

    From what I have found (use only, not scientific research) the only thing a 3" shell gives you over a 2 3/4" shell is more recoil, usually there is only a MINOR increase in velocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 220combat View Post
    I wonder if those numbers were with shot loads, because I sure feel a 12 gauge 2 3/4" slug a lot more than I feel a .30-06.

    From what I have found (use only, not scientific research) the only thing a 3" shell gives you over a 2 3/4" shell is more recoil, usually there is only a MINOR increase in velocity.
    I use standard 2&3/4" sabot slugs for deer hunting and they do a fine job within a 100 yards and they're not bad at all on the shoulder. A while back I used Magnum Remington Copper Solids and they kicked like a mule, and I saw worse performance on dropping the animal with the Remington Mags so I'm back with the standard Winchester/ BRI's and I'm happy with them on the shoulder and with performance.

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    Alot of that will depend on the gun you are using too. Put a slug through a light little single shot from NEF or something and it will kick like a mule. Put one through a gas operated semi auto and you will be surprised at how easy it will be on your shoulder. The same will be true for the rifle.
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    I have found that the single shot rifle has a sharper recoil than the shotgun. Shotgun may be the same impulse power over a slightly longer time, so it feels lighter to me. Auto rifle is less recoil that single shot rifle, but I can't remember the last time I shot an autoloading shotgun. Similarly, autopistol has less felt recoil than revolver. Force distributed over time makes for a different sensation.
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    Intersting stats.

    Having a double 12 and a .30-.30 I can tell you that I don't shoot either of them for pleasure.
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    Compare the foot pounds of recoil generated by a 3-1/2" 12 ga shell loaded with TT shot with a .458 Lott round loaded with a 550 gr projectile. You'll be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    Compare the foot pounds of recoil generated by a 3-1/2" 12 ga shell loaded with TT shot with a .458 Lott round loaded with a 550 gr projectile. You'll be surprised.
    Off the top of my head I would have to go with the SG. Yes or No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock27Bill View Post
    Intersting stats.

    Having a double 12 and a .30-.30 I can tell you that I don't shoot either of them for pleasure.

    We know that a 12 can be a load on shoulder, but I never heard of the 30.30 being an issue. Again I'm not looking at the charts, and I'm not questioning you because I don't have a 30.30, but I never figured it to be a big kicker, but I could be wrong.

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    From MY experience - recoil, besides being reliant on chamberings and loadings, stock design, action type, gripping surface, shooter's shooting style and recoil reduction pad or brake systems, is due to shooter's tolerance (this being due to "physiognomy" - the body shape, muscle mass, arm length, shoulder breadth, etc. as well as physchology - what the shooter "expects" to feel. I've fired some pretty hard hitting rifles and hand guns - when I wasn't "expecting" to get beaten up - the recoil was fairly stiff but not unmanageable or painful. I have also fired a few firearms "expecting" the experience to be painful and generally, in that case, IT WAS. Some portion of "recoil" sensitivity, IMHO, is "perceived" rather than "real". Just some ideas to mull around.
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