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    Default Iver Johnson Second Issue American Bulldog

    Please let me know if this is correct. I believe that I have an Iver Johnson American Bulldog Second Issue, from 1897-1898. It is a 32 centerfire, and says "AMERICAN BULLDOG" on the top of the octogon barrel. The grips have an eagle on them with it's wings up. Is this correct? Also, does anyone know anyone who can work on this gun? The cylinder does not lock up unless you cock the hammer.
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    You are correct. The revolver is functioning correctly - there is no "auto cylinder" stop bolt on these - lock-up only happens when the trigger is pulled full through or the hammer is cocked.
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    I guess I find it odd that it just spins if the gun is not cocked, there is nothing to prevent the cylinder from rotating and a shell alligning with the loading port and falling out. Thanks for the info 32 mag.

    What centerfire 32 round was this gun designed for?
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    I will bet that your revolver is chambered in .32 S&W.
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    Popeye wins the bet - it could also handle the obsolete .32 H&R Long (also known as the .32 M&H) and later versions added the .32 S&W Long - all black powder loads only to be used in that piece until AFTER pieces produced in 1909 when IJ made their handguns suitable for smokeless/Nitro powder chamber pressures.
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    Default Same gun, but 38 (SPL) or 357

    Hello, I have a very similar gun (Identical?), It has a bulldog's head on the grips,
    It is chambered in 38 (SPL ? witch fires very good, but does not fill completely the full length of the chamber)
    There is no indication of the caliber on the gun, so I think I could maybe be even made for 357 ,(witch I never tried)
    Is this possible?and how old could this be? the serial Nr is 7437
    thanks for helping me out (I can provide pictures if wanted)
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    Hello Jan, welcome to National Gun Forum. You may want to drop by our new members section and introduce yourself.

    I can't give you an exact answer to your questions (but be patient, someone will) but if your gun is identical or even close to the pictures in the original post do not shoot .38 special loads in the gun until you can get a competant gunsmith to examine the gun for you. DO NOT try .357 Magnum loads. You (and those around you when you shoot it) stand a very good chance of being injured.

    Please have the gun checked out by someone knowledgable in guns of that type who can be trusted!

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    That gun should only be shot with .38 S&W, .38 Colt New Police and if it is that much longer in the cylinder, just possibly .38 Long Colt (NOT .38 S&W SPECIALS and certainly NOT .357 S&W Magnums). All of those cartridges started life as black powder loads. Follow Bang Bang's safe advice about having it checked by a GOOD gunsmith. Your gun was made 40 years before the .357 Magnum was invented. And probably, up to 10 years before the .38 SPL was.
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    Default wadcutter

    Hello Don, thanks for your quick replie,I'll will not forget to drop by the new members section and introduce myself.


    I did shoot a few .38 black powder and a few wadcutter 38 SPL(= lower charge= safer=correct?), these do feel much more according to the gun, they fit better and are more stable in the chambers, and the fyering feels smoother than the black powder 38's (pure subjectif )
    The general guns mecanics are in a good condition

    I did buy it from a (competant???) gunsmith,but as a pr 1900 concept and pr 1946 production (antique ).but....does this fit with a SPL caliber?

    And ......YES, I got the message, will not try the .357 Magnum loads.

    P.S. Ill manage some good pict.


    Thanks for helping me out

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