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    Default What powder and grain to use?

    My friend has an Italian made 1851 New Navy round barrel .44 cal with 7.25 inch barrel, using speer .445 round balls. The pistol is rifled. Using Sure Shot double FG powder, what is the best load of powder and grains for knocking down a deer?

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    A BP revolver in 44 cal is not sifficient for killing deer, there is just not enough mass or velocity in the projectile.
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    hmmm.. interesting. well i got my doe at 30 yards with my 1851 navy colt 44 revolver useing only 45 grain of fff powder and a lead ball. but to answer the question at hand, i would go with about 40 to 45 grain of fff for up to 50 yards.

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    82vett--I'm not saying it is not possible, deer can be killed with a 22LR. the 44 cap and ball does not have sufficient energy to to be responsibly used as a deer hunting weapon. Here is a neat chart:

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    Even a 180grain 50 cal ball with 60 grains of powder only develops 750ish Ft/Lbs energy. A smaller diameter ball with only 75% of that charge, out of a 6-10" barrel, not a 24" barrel is probably in the 250-375 range. Not humane in my book. Too much risk of injuring an animal or loseing it.

    Even a Colt Walker with 57-60 grains will only produce 500ft/lbs at the muzzle, about 350 at 50 yards downrange.
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    i understand what your saying. im just a black powder nut and im going off past experence with hunting black powder. thanks for the carts link, its pretty interesting to look at.

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    You might be better off with a bullet instead of a round ball too. FFF is better for short barrels too.
    Shot placement is going to be paramount since no matter what you do to that gun, 220 is right. Hunting is about taking game humanely. Please be sure you are able to do that.
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    Would clean shot powder FFG black powder replacement work in this revolver???? or its the same as FFFG

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    With a 44, either FFG or FFFG will work OK, especially if you have a longer barrel.
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    I called Cabelas technical support and they said never put more than 25gr of powder on this brass frame but than i hear folks saying they put 30 40 and even 45gr of powder. is this safe??

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    were can i find .445 concial bullets????? tried alot of websites no luck

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